To Those Who Say There Is No God

Written by Victor Uyanwanne

Does God exist?

The online Oxford dictionary defines atheism as “Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.” On the other hand, Merriam-Webster  explains it as “a disbelief in the existence of deity” or “the doctrine that there is no deity.”

In this brief discourse, atheism shall be construed simply as the “belief that there is no God.”

Let me be upfront with this: I am a Christian and so I believe in the living God (the God with capital ‘G’). Those who follow this blog would know that already.

That said, I find it hard to fathom why some people find it so easy to claim that God doesn’t exist. I respect the fact that everyone has the right to believe what they want. But sincerely, to think that there is no God beats my imagination.

To my mind, there is enough evidence in us and around us to prove that there is God who made all things. There is enough evidence to prove that our life and existence and the earth we live on couldn’t have been a result of a random explosion that occurred at some point in history.

Recently, during an online interaction, I mentioned to a fellow blogger that I have never been in a close contact with any atheist. I have heard about a few notable public figures whom reports say they don’t believe in God. But I have never met any of them personally.

I am moved with compassion whenever I hear that someone doesn’t believe in God. “I wish they knew better!” I would say to myself, because “I know God exists.”

Several centuries ago, one of the greatest men that ever lived on earth declared in Psalms Chapter 14:1 that “A fool says in his heart there is no God.” The same thing was repeated in Psalms 53:1.

From these scriptures, we can see that anyone that says there is no God, is not wise at all. If that assertion came from me, you could discountenance it. But as it is the written word of God, one ignores it at one’s own peril.

Some other arguments about God are far easier to understand than to say that He doesn’t exist at all. For instance, some people reason that there are many ways to God. But in Christianity, we say Jesus Christ is the only Way.

In fact, Jesus himself during His earthly walk made some audacious claims about this when he said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by Me.”

What was Jesus saying? Simply put, He meant “There is God (the Father) and I am the only Way to Him.”

 

Upcoming Post:  16 Sobering Things Every Atheist Should Know

 

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100 thoughts on “To Those Who Say There Is No God

  1. Jason Philo December 16, 2015 / 1:49 am

    I grew up “spiritual” with no religious training other than the random christianity events for holidays. As an adult, I became a Christian, then got into messianic christianity. Then I rejected christianity and became a Jew. Then I rejected that too. I can’t say with 100% certainty that there is no god, but I’m about as certain as saying there probably aren’t unicorns either.

    Ultimately, it was my incessant needs to have questions answered. Religion couldn’t answer them. I found the natural world to provide a better source of understanding the world than a sky man watching me.

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  2. Victor Uyanwanne December 16, 2015 / 12:42 pm

    Jason, thanks for stopping by and for commenting.

    As you found out, engaging in the so-called Christian holiday events doesn’t make one Christian.

    To be a Christian is to ‘know’ God. To know God, one has to begin with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ which is based on faith.

    It is not religion or religious training that can save anybody, but faith in Christ. Anyone who talks about being a Christian without a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is involved in mere Religion not Christianity.

    It is good that you have not come to that point of categorically saying there is no God. I hope I understood you well there? If yes, then I take that to mean that you still have an open mind about this ‘God exist or not’ stuff.

    When it comes to ‘searching’ for Him, God speaking through prophet Jeremiah said, “You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.” (Jeremiah 29:13). This shows that anyone who seeks God with all his heart will find Him. You can say it is guaranteed!

    I am not talking about religion in the common sense of it, because religion is not what makes the difference. The difference comes from beginning a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

    In my own case, I found that knowing God thought Jesus Christ helped me got answers for the questions that most troubled my heart. So if you don’t mind, I would gladly recommend that you establish a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus Christ. Only then will some things begin to add up for you.

    You said the natural world have helped your understanding than the Man in the sky. First, we believe that God put the natural world in place too. In fact the Bible has it that “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.” (Psalm 19:1). Although some people do not agree, nature itself speaks eloquently of the existence of God.

    Simply put the natural world was created by God. “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” Romans 1:20,

    Secondly, my own concept of God includes the fact that He is inside of me through the Holy Spirit, not some unimaginable being out there in the sky as you put it. I totally understand if the last statement didn’t make any sense to you.

    In conclusion, let me add that what God offers us is a close personal relationship with Him through Jesus Christ, not religion. This is what true Christianity is all about. I once heard a preacher explain it like this: “Religion is man attempting to reach God, whereas Christianity is God reaching out to man.” Understanding this simple analogy will make a whole lot of difference in anyone’s life.

    If you have the time, you may visit the link for some answers: http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html?gclid=CKjkj8Hg38kCFScFwwod0dILxg

    Thank you.

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  3. Jason Philo December 16, 2015 / 3:47 pm

    I guess I should elaborate a while. I was a devoted Christian for about 15 years before I converted Judaism. I no longer believe in God and have not only rejected Jesus, but also blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

    The god of the three monotheistic faiths is a sado-masichistic tyrant who creates us sick and demands us to be well, at the threat of eternal hellfire. What a spoiled twat. Who needs that?

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 16, 2015 / 6:36 pm

      Jason, thank you for throwing more light into your position. Now I know where you stand on the belief in the existence of God.

      When you said you were once “a devoted Christian…” I would really like to know exactly what you meant by that. I am familiar with a few people who call themselves “devoted Christians” simply because they go to church regularly, help the needy, gave money in church, fast two times a week, ate holy communion, partake in Christian events and all that. But they have not come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ as their individual Lord and Saviour.

      The next questions I would ask would be these: Did you ever come to the point of having a personal relationship with God, by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Saviour and living by His grace? How did you arrive at the point of not believing in God anymore as you indicated?

      I am not to speak for the other so-called monotheistic faiths you referred to. But for the avoidance of doubt, the God that I believe in is the One who “… so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). This God is calling us (all mankind) into a personal relationship with Him through His Son Jesus Christ who died and resurrected for our sake.

      This God is a God of love and He could never be a tyrant as you called Him. Only someone who hadn’t known God would describe Him as such; those who truly know Him know better than that.

      At creation God created man in perfect state of health. It was the corruption of sin that gave birth to the issue of sickness (and other evils), which you wrongly attributed to God. If for anything, God wants us well – in spirit, soul and body.

      Hell is not a threat from God as you put it. It is a real place prepared for satan and his angels who rebelled against God.

      It is not the will of God that anyone should perish and go to hell, but rather it is the will of God for all to come to repentance and be saved through faith in His Son Jesus Christ.
      Unfortunately rather than accepting the Lordship of Christ, many people have sided with Satan. For such ones, hell is a beckoning reality.

      But to anyone who is still alive, hell is absolutely avoidable if they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. We definitely need that God who has made a way of escaping hell through faith in Christ. Regards.

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      • Jason Philo December 16, 2015 / 6:54 pm

        It wouldn’t matter if I told you that I had a “personal relationship with Christ” because you would just come back with I wasn’t doing something right and missed it.

        The long and short of it is, there is no god. There is no Jesus. Modern religion is just the Zeus stories evolved into some place where we cannot go to prove whether the gods are there or not.

        I don’t believe in anything of this sort because it cannot be proven. To quote Hitchens, what can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.”

        It’s all rubbish. I chose to reject the god worldview and live simply as my own man with the world around me as it is.

        Good sermon though. You got it down. It’s a shame that it misleads so many people away from a life of curiosity and learning to one that is simply satisfied with not knowing and looking forward to a world for which there’s no proof or evidence for.

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        • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 16, 2015 / 7:35 pm

          So what Proof have you got Jason that there is no God, have you died and come back and so can be so certain there is no God or Heaven or Hell or are you just going by hearsay and your own understanding, as Christians we do have Proof.

          Christian Love – Anne

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          • Victor Uyanwanne December 16, 2015 / 8:15 pm

            Thank you Anne for asking that question again. I believe Jason will read it this time and respond.

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          • Jason Philo December 17, 2015 / 12:27 am

            You can’t prove a negative, that’s not why I became an atheist. There’s no proof for god. I could find no evidence anyone other than myself and my friends and family had any interest in my well-being.

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            • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 17, 2015 / 3:44 am

              The Bible confirms God’s reality Jason without a doubt, and without Him there would be nothing. There are Truths that only God could have known when He had man record them in Scripture, such as that the world was round when everyone believed it was flat because they had no other way of knowing and D.N.A which you can read about on the link below, also proves we could not have evolved from animals and nothing comes from nothing that has flesh and bones and there are other Truths too that only God could have known.

              Creation – https://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2015/10/03/wow-a-new-missing-link-has-been-found/

              God is Spirit and always was, He gave us the breath of life but what we do with it is our choice, He does not force us to believe in Him and Love Him, He does not want Puppets but He has shown us His reality in Creation and we will reap what we sow good and bad, it is our destiny which we choose ourselves, it’s not God’s will anyone perishes but to all be in a close relationship with Him Eternally..

              Having been an Atheist for almost 30 years Jason, well I was one in my head not my heart or I would still be one, I was deceived as a young Teenager that I came from an Ape and Jesus who was my Best Friend and the Bible were just made up, I know Satan’s lies now and God’s Truth shows without doubt they are lies, you are believing a lie Jason show me proof there is no God.

              Kind Regards – Anne.

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              • Jason Philo December 17, 2015 / 5:21 am

                I’m sure you’re very nice, Anne, but you don’t read and you don’t have a sound argument. Good luck on your “faith”. I’ll stick with reason and evidence. Cheers.

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                • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 17, 2015 / 7:44 am

                  So you have no evidence Jason that there is no God only what others have told you without proof or what you imagine yourself and it seems you can’t deny what I shared from the Scriptures or from Creation on my Link by offering sound evidence why they are not True. Yet you read what others have said about there being no God and take it as Truth even though they have no evidence but as I shared I gave you evidence about God’s reality and you reject it, so it is you who doesn’t have the sound Argument and as God tells us this makes you a fool, I have been there myself so I don’t doubt what God is saying you are, yes I had egg on my face and so will you but hopefully like me you will come to heart repentance before it’s too late.

                  When Victor and I and other Christians share about The God, we offer Hope in Christ Jesus for a wonderful Eternity but what do you offer Jason except a hopeless end….

                  And this is why I don’t argue with fools about their foolish understanding or even bother to read their lies but I will pray for you Jason to see God’s reality but it will still be your choice to accept Him and His Love for you or the alternative which is Hell.

                  Offered in Christian Love – Anne.

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                  • Jason Philo December 17, 2015 / 8:35 am

                    First, you should really learn how to use periods. Run on sentences are terrible to read. Paragraphs are nice too, but take one thing on at a time.

                    Second: you cannot prove a negative. Do you know what that means? Read about Russell’s teapot. So that you know how this works, the burden of proof always falls on the one with a claim. What’s really great about this is that what can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

                    Third, as loving as christianity claims to be, it sure is funny how they have to rely on the threat of hell to get people to join. That turns god into a spoiled brat: “Love me. Or else.” That is not love, that is some kind of emotional disorder.

                    Pray if you want, but I’m sure your intellect could be used for something much greater than talking to your bed.

                    By the way, you are arguing. But don’t be discouraged, you’re terrible at it.

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                    • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 17, 2015 / 9:51 am

                      I’m not arguing with you Jason to do that you have to take someone seriously and I don’t see you as a person who has wisdom, just fleshy understanding, you are foolish like I was in my view of God, but to even to try and explain His Truth to you now would be hopeless because as you can see in the Scripture below *** it would just be foolishness to you because you don’t have the Holy Spirit, you are fleshy or worldly, meaning Natural .

                      1 Corinthians 2:9-16 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that Love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with Spiritual.

                      *** But the Natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the Mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him? but we have the Mind of Christ.

                      But I will say in Love Jason before I end our conversation, that Hell is a reality too whether you want to believe it or not, God does not lie He has warned us of it’s existence, Satan designed it with you and me in mind but God Loved us enough to give us an escape from it, your Choice Jason not God’s whether you accept it, He wants you too but He won’t force you to, would you want those you Love to have to Love you, that is why He gives us a choice, Satan didn’t, he wanted you in Hell no choice given, it cost God greatly to give you a choice but He Loved you so He did.

                      My Focus….

                      God said it!
                      I believe it!
                      That Settles it!

                      And even if I didn’t believe it , it would still be Settled because God said it!

                      So I say goodbye now Jason, hopefully we will meet in Heaven if not I won’t remember you or I would be sad and there is only Joy in Heaven – Anne.

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        • Victor Uyanwanne December 16, 2015 / 8:11 pm

          I read your comments again Jason. I am glad that you also took time to read mine.

          I am convinced you got the message already. So there wouldn’t be much use repeating my self. But allow me to say that Zeus compares in no way with our Lord Jesus Christ, who died and resurrected. Did you ever hear that that any god claimed to have died and resurrected?

          Dear Jason, God is real and so is Jesus Christ His son. The proof is in me and in any one that believes. If you seek Him with an open mind and with faith, you will find Him.

          Allow me to end this comment with a quote from Marilyn Adamson, who once didn’t believe in God: “When it comes to the possibility of God’s existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, “You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you.” http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

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  4. Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 16, 2015 / 4:47 pm

    Great Message Victor, I was wondering if Jason has died and come back to be so certain there is no God or Heaven or Hell, we have our assurance through The Holy Spirit and as you shared Victor we can see God in Creation so there will be no excuse but also The Bible confirms God’s reality without a doubt, there are Truths that only God could have known when He had man record them, such as that the world was round when everyone believed it was flat because they had no other way of knowing and D.N.A which you can read about on the link below, also proves we could not have evolved from animals and there are other Truths too that only God could have known.

    Creation – https://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2015/10/03/wow-a-new-missing-link-has-been-found/

    Having been an Atheist for almost 30 years, well I was one in my head not my heart or I would still be one, I was deceived as a young Teenager that I came from an Ape and Jesus who was my Best Friend and the Bible were just made up, I know Satan’s lies and God’s Truth shows without doubt they are lies.

    I don’t accept that anyone has the right to reject their Creator but they do have free will to choose to do so and they are also choosing their own Destiny which will be a eternal suffering, it is clear Jason hasn’t asked the right questions so does not have the right answers, sad but True!

    Christian Love – Anne.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 16, 2015 / 7:41 pm

      Thank you Anne for your contribution. Your points were very clear.

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  5. Jason Philo December 16, 2015 / 8:58 pm

    Victor, you seem very nice and patient. I’m sure you’re a pleasant person to be around.

    I may need to define proof in this case. Something that can be seen, tested, and repeated, like gravity. You can test gravity. Anyone can. It hasn’t been disproven yet.

    You can’t test god. There is no way to see that someone is there. I could find no proof of him as much as I wanted to. And the proofs mentioned in the link: Points 1-4 have explanations in science. They’re not explanations that require faith. They’re explanations that you can see for yourself in local university or college. You can email the people who study the world and universe around us. You can also study their tests and see their failures and successes. Points 5 & 6 are completely subjective. 5 especially – last i looked, there was no one chasing me. I’m 100% confident of it. 6 is also incredibly subjective as any other worshiper of any other god, Islam is a hot topic now so I’ll go with that, can state the exact same thing about their god or belief.

    Death and resurrection is a common theme in other religions. Yes, I’ve heard of other gods that died and resurrected. Here’s some proof for you: http://listverse.com/2013/03/30/10-resurrected-religious-figures/

    Finally, there are over 5000 gods worshipped today. Isn’t it convenient that yours is the right one? And that the thousands of others have the same conviction of faith about their gods as you do with yours. Very convenient. And yes, Jesus has many counterparts in other ancient religions. I should have been more specific mentioning Horus, an Egyptian god, instead of Zeus. Though the Greeks and Romans have their counterparts predating Jesus’ time. Sorry for the rabbit trail…

    What’s not tyrannical about a being that is solely responsible for bestowing life, tossing his creation into hell for a disease he’s not responsible for, to be punished terribly for eternity? God has to keep this person alive to suffer. Forever. I don’t think tyrannical is a strong enough word and doubt that one exists in any language to accommodate that level of savagery.

    I’ll close with a small thought experiment. I’m interested to hear your response to this question more than anything else.

    Stare at a dark sky and consider any one of the dots of light… “for any length of time and then try to convince yourself that God created the whole Universe for one of the 10 million or so species of life that inhabit that speck of dust [in this case Earth]. Now take it a step further: Imagine that everything was made just for a single shade of that species, or gender, or ethnic or religious subdivision. If this doesn’t strike you as unlikely, pick another dot [another star in the sky]. Imagine it to be inhabited by a different form of intelligent life. They, too, cherish the notion of a God who has created everything for their benefit. How seriously do you take their claim?” Excerpt From: Carl Sagan & Ann Druyan. “Pale Blue Dot.” iBooks. https://itun.es/us/dm6Yz.l

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 17, 2015 / 6:28 pm

      Jason, thank you very much for the generous compliment. That was huge coming from you.

      Permit me to add that I have not always been like that. It was the ‘knowing’ of Jesus Christ as my Lord and personal Saviour that gradually transformed my life. What you described of me as being “very nice and patient” is a veritable manifestation of what we refer to as the fruit of the Holy Spirit (in this case, love and patience) in the life of a believer in Christ. Religion didn’t give them to me but Relationship (with Jesus Christ) did.

      I am glad you had time to explore the “Is There God” link I recommended. Did you notice that it was written by a former atheist? That speaks volume on its own!

      Your observations that her “Points 1-4 have explanations in science. They’re not explanations that require faith. They’re explanations that you can see for yourself in local university or college” are very correct. Sincerely, you got the point there! Even the writer subtitled the article as “….straightforward REASONS to believe that God is really there” (emphasis mine). I assume she had people like you in mind when she penned that piece.

      It has never been that the evidences that God exists are not there. But it’s just that some people have chosen to close their minds on them! Recall that you had indicated you were only interested in ‘things around you,’ that you don’t believe in God. I had also mentioned that even things we see around us have eloquent evidences that prove the existence of God, as the article you read so succinctly explained.

      You see Jason, it is not everything, however, that can be seen or tested. But the fact that they can’t be tested doesn’t preclude their existence. For instance, we were told in elementary science that we can’t see air. But who will doubt that it exists? “Of course no one!” you would say.

      Secondly, I know you do not see gravity with your eyes, but you acknowledged that it exists. In the same way, it is true we don’t see God but we know by faith that He exists. And some of the physical evidences of God’s existence you already have acknowledged to have been scientifically established. Those evidences were neither the product of the so-called evolution nor the aftermath of the ridiculous big bang theory. But they are the handiwork of the Creator God.

      However, don’t you know that science itself is very limited in some way? It can ‘test’ only things in the physical realm – things that can be felt, heard, tasted, seen and perceived. But beyond the experiences we get in the physical world (as passed to us by our natural five senses), there is also the spiritual world, which science at its best cannot explain. That’s the truth my dear Jason!

      God is a spirit and the Bible says those that worship Him must worship in Spirit and in truth. It is not everything about God that can be scientifically proven. Can you subject a Spirit Being to the crucibles of science? Impossible! This is where faith comes in. “Without faith”, the Bible says “it is impossible to please God.” I guess this is where the lacuna exists for people like you who doubt the existence of the living God!

      You said that death and resurrection are common themes in religion. Well I can assure you that those concepts do not compare to how Christianity speaks about them. The crux of Christianity is the reality of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the salvation of mankind. This alone sets Christianity light years apart from the so-called other religions.

      Jason, Jesus Christ is the only One whom I ever know who declared “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore” (Revelation 1:18). He was dead, but He resurrected, never to die again. Are those gods you mentioned still speaking or changing lives today as Jesus Christ is doing? I would say an emphatic NO!

      I explored the link to the purportedly resurrected gods you forwarded to me. I observed (not surprised though) that there was nothing fantastic about the so-called gods you referred to; nothing inspiring – all dead stories of dead selfish gods. It leaves me curious why you seemed to have faith in them and yet you claim you don’t believe in the living God that we are talking about here, whom it was that raised Jesus Christ from the dead!

      For the records, Jason, I was not born a Christian. In fact no one is born a Christian. (Hope that didn’t surprise you). One becomes a Christian only when one is able to willfully and knowingly by faith ask Jesus Christ to be one’s Lord and Personal Saviour. It is not something inherited, not something that can be forced. It is entirely by choice – the choice of the individual God-seeker.

      Those who say they are Christians by birth or by association have only experienced religion and not the Relationship that Christ offers. So I did not believe in God out of convenience as you suggested, but out of my discovery of Him as the only true God, who gave His son to die for me to restore my relationship with Him.

      Therefore, again Jason, I say that it is incorrect for you to say that God is a tyrant who threatens to throw us into hell if we don’t believe in Him. Don’t you realise that if what you said was true of God, you wouldn’t be alive here to be engaging in this discourse with me? Because He sure has the power to throw you into hell at once! (Pun intended please). Indeed, God is a God of love, mercy and grace! You believe, you receive!

      More so, the first commandment of God remember, is, “Thou shall not have any other God before Me.” So I do not reckon with any of the over 5,000 gods you referred to. But that doesn’t stop me from loving the people that follow those gods; (as disciples of Jesus Christ, we are able to love people whether they believe in our God or not). I can only wish and pray that the followers of the other gods (some of them at least) will one day come to the knowledge of the only true God. After all, “We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way” until some of us embraced the saving grace God made available to all mankind in Jesus Christ.

      If you say Islam is ‘hot’ these days, may be it is for those who are looking for religion. But some of us are not looking for a religion… What we have is a relationship with God through Christ. The difference between the two is enormous.

      Many years ago, a classmate of mine who is a renowned adherent of Islam asked me why I follow Jesus Christ. I answered Him it is because Jesus said He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIGHT and that He is the only way to God. I asked Him in return if their Prophet ever said any such thing. He said no. Someone else later told me that their Prophet even said he didn’t know ‘the way’ when his disciples asked him to show them the way. Are you still surprised that I am following JESUS CHRIST, THE WAY? Smiles!

      Finally, Jason, I did not really get the clear relationship between the ‘experiment’ you used to conclude your comment and the point of our discourse. It was just too hypothetical to be taken as a valid basis to advance a serious argument of this nature. But I didn’t fail to notice that the writers alluded to God being the creator of the universe. (That alone is significant).

      Their argument seemed to bother on ‘whom’ the creations were made for, rather than on whether or not there is a creator in the first place. In any case, as my closing response to that, I will use the following quotations from the Bible which clearly identifies the Creator and the purpose of all creations:

      “Thou art worthy, o Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou [God] hast created all things, and for thy [God’s] pleasure they are and were created” Revelation 4:11.

      Jason, I know this was a very long response. So I thank you immensely for your time.

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  6. Jason Philo December 18, 2015 / 1:58 pm

    That was a long response! 🙂

    It’s been nice talking with you, Victor. We clearly have vastly different world views. I’m not going to counter this due to time and I feel it will not do either of us much good. I have given up on believing in God, and being Jewish, I have absolutely zero interest in adding a 2000 year-old Jew (that got into a lot of trouble with the Romans) to the equation.

    However, I do want to point out that patience is not a character trait available only in Christians. I am Jewish (yes, a secular Jew), and have several secular & religious Jewish friends that are exceedingly patient. Additionally, I have several non-Jewish secular friends that are also patient. You can rest assured that you can meet people that are not Christian and possess immense patience.

    Take care. Thanks for the fun.
    Jason

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 18, 2015 / 3:11 pm

      You got me smiling Jason. It’s been nice talking with you too.

      I would say I agree with your position to a great extent this time around. But I was surprised to hear that you were a Jew. I know that Jewish people believe in God, even though some do not recognise Jesus Christ as the Messiah.

      I pray that one day, you find reason to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour. He is the only hope of mankind in time and in eternity.

      God loves you Jason and so do I. Regards.

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  7. Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 18, 2015 / 3:33 pm

    Victor I commend you for your Godly Patience with Jason, having had a Ministry to Atheists and being one myself before coming to heart repentance, I understand their inner fear at being proven wrong, yes they are sinners and will be accountable and as much as they try to suppress this fear they can’t. So when they are unable to respond with proven facts to support their fleshy understanding they attack or look for weaknesses in those they are seeking to confuse and devalue but yes they can also play the game and say what we want to hear so we will think they are interested but their not both in us or what we are sharing.

    But Jason was right in that we all have different personalities, strengths, weaknesses and we also have emotions, they are not sin but can lead to sin. I have friends who are calm and controlled but are not Christians, although one day they may be and some who weren’t are now. There are two types of Atheists that God mentions in Scripture one we can reach and one we can’t but we are not to judge anyone’s Eternal Destiny, only God knows their heart but we can tell what path their on.

    There is also worldly Patience and Godly Patience, this is the same as other things in Scripture, such as Godly wisdom and worldly wisdom, Godly Love and worldly Love, Godly Pride and worldly Pride etc. Yes Secular people can mimic Christians but they don’t have genuine unconditional and sacrificial Love, this comes only from the empowering of The Holy Spirit as we choose to walk in His Fruit.

    I have been blessed in meeting you Victor, you are a very genuine Godly Man and I respect you greatly, may you also be greatly blessed as you continue to share from your heart the Love you have for our Awesome God and we give Thanks that when we do share His Truth it is confirmed in our hearts too and we continue to know His deep inner Joy, Peace and Contentment and have heart assurance, even in times of hardship, suffering and persecution .

    Christian Love from both of us – Anne.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 18, 2015 / 4:35 pm

      Thank you Anne for your wonderful comment.

      It is our privilege as children of God to share the gospel with the lost people. We share the truth and let the Holy Spirit do the convicting.

      Jason doesn’t look like a hopeless case yet. I would really like to have him accept Jesus into his life. But as you know, I can’t force him. He has to exercise his will…

      Anne, you have been a blessing too. More power to your elbow. Thanks for all your support. Regards.

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  8. Midori Skies December 19, 2015 / 6:59 pm

    “That said, I find it hard to fathom why some people find it so easy to claim that God doesn’t exist.”

    I didn’t find it easy to claim that no gods exist. I spent a long time thinking, searching, reading, and researching before reaching the conclusion that no gods exist. When I started searching, I was looking for a better reason to believe than just because my parents taught me that way. I was certain I that I would find that reason. I wanted to find it. But I didn’t. And it was very difficult for me to admit that to myself, at first. I’d always looked at everything through the lens of my faith, before. I had to rethink everything. But I think I am a better person for it, able to live with more integrity.

    “To my mind, there are enough evidences in us and around us to prove that there is God who made all things.”

    Two thoughts here. First, I don’t see any evidence like that. Second, how do you get from the idea that a god of some sort must exist, to the idea that that god is specifically the Christian god? I’ve often wondered that about teleological arguments, but I have yet to see a good explanation.

    “If that assertion came from me, you could discountenance it. But as it is the written word of God, one ignores it at one’s own peril.”

    You know, I’ve actually read a very similar argument to that, before. It was in Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi’s “Towards Understanding Islam”. The thing is, I only have humans’ word for it that those are the words of God. And different humans are saying different words are the words of the one true God. I highly recommend reading that book, by the way–thinking about why his words don’t convince you might give you insight into why some similar arguments you make about your own god aren’t convincing to atheists.

    I have a couple more points I want to make, in response to you first comment.

    “It is good that you have not come to that point of categorically saying there is no God. I hope I understood you well there? If yes, then I take that to mean that you still have an open mind about this ‘God exist or not’ stuff.”

    I have come to the point of categorically saying there is no God. No gods exist. But that doesn’t mean I don’t have an open mind. The way I see it, all of us are wrong about some things. No one of us is 100% right about every single thing we think, know, or believe. But if we aren’t open to the idea we might be wrong about some things, then we aren’t going to be able to figure out which things we are wrong about and then correct our thinking. I care very much about the truth, and I want my worldview to be as consistent with reality as I can get it to be. So, yea. I’m confident that there are no gods. I’m confident about that in very much the same way that I am confident that there is no Loch Ness monster. But if there was a credible sighting of Nessie tomorrow, I would absolutely change my mind about that. Same thing with the idea of God. If I’m wrong, I really want to know about that, and if I see credible evidence, I will change my mind.

    “When it comes to ‘searching’ for Him, God speaking through prophet Jeremiah said, ‘You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.’ (Jeremiah 29:13). This shows that anyone who seeks God with all his heart will find Him. You can say it is guaranteed!”

    I searched for him, honestly and earnestly. I didn’t find him. And I’m not the only one. Do you think that of everyone who has ever searched for God, who came to a different conclusion–all the atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans, Jains, Shintoists, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, all the billions of people who have ever lived who were not Christians–that not one of us searched with all our hearts?

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 21, 2015 / 11:09 pm

      Midori, thank you for stopping by and leaving your comment.

      I am sorry you have not found God in all your searches as you indicated. That doesn’t mean He doesn’t exist because we know He does .

      Some of us have found Him and are enjoying a robust relationship with Him. Hope that’s not so strange to you?

      For the records, the God I am talking about is the creator of Heaven and Earth. He has a dear Son called Jesus Christ whom He sent to the world to die for the salvation of mankind.

      By the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ, God no longer holds the sin of mankind against them. All He now wants is for us to come into a personal relationship with Him through Jesus Christ.

      This relationship doesn’t start by intellectual understanding; it starts by faith. You believe then you receive.

      God is not so difficult to find. In fact, He is in the same room right now with you. But you won’t see Him, except by faith. Faith is the only eye that can ‘see’ God.

      So sir, to find God you have to come to Him in faith. Believe in His son Jesus and ask Him to come into your life. You will see how much difference that will make in your life. This is a personal decision only you can tàke for yourself and you can’t take it for some else either.

      So if you will, you can say ” God by faith I believe you exist. I accept your son Jesus Christ into my life. Please help me to know you better , amen. Regards

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  9. Midori Skies December 24, 2015 / 10:19 pm

    Victor, thank you for your reply. I appreciate that you are willing to engage with me and listen to my words. I have had run into too many believers who want me to listen to them without being willing to listen to me in return.

    You are right that my having not found God does not mean he doesn’t exist. There are abundant examples of people searching for things and not finding them, even though those things existed (and also abundant examples where that which was searched for did not exist). But I don’t believe that everyone who searches for God with all their heart will find the Christian god, because I did search and not find, and so did billions of others.

    The idea of having a relationship with God is rather strange to me, although I have heard people talk about it all my life. I don’t understand, how do you have a relationship with someone you cannot see, or hear, or exchange mail with, or communicate with in any concrete way? People say they can feel it in their hearts, or the like, but how do you know that your heart is getting the message right, or that the one you feel in your heart is actually your god, and not an impostor?

    I already decided to believe and accept Jesus and all that when I was a kid. I believed and prayed when I was searching for my own reason to follow the religion I was taught as a child. My patents frequently pray for me since I told them I didn’t believe in any gods. But for all that, I have never heard from God. Not one time did God speak to me in a concrete manner. There is the Bible and there are sermons, but all of these things are the words of men. I have only the word of humans that God said anything.

    So no, I’m not going to pretend to believe in something that I don’t, that I have never found a good reason to believe in. I already tried that, and I have nothing to show for it.

    Besides, someone could just as easily say there is an invisible pink unicorn in the room with you, but you would not take them seriously. I see no more evidence for your god than I see for invisible pink unicorns.

    You have said there is evidence of God. You would do a better job to convince me if you would show me the evidence.

    You would take the invisible pink unicorn idea more seriously if you saw a hoof print or similar evidence, would you not? It is similar for me.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 25, 2015 / 12:27 pm

      Thanks for your compliment Midori. I appreciate your time too.

      Faith is the most important ingredient in coming to God. Without it God cannot be found. It is what will bring you into a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

      If you find God with faith you will find Him.
      If you come to Him through Jesus Christ the Way, you have ‘meet’ God.
      Aside from this, every attempt to find God in any other way will end in frustration.

      God loves you Midori.

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  10. Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 28, 2015 / 12:42 pm

    Hi Midori not sure if you will read my comment as this Post is now updated but if you do, I was wondering since you said that you spent a long time thinking, searching, reading, and researching before reaching the conclusion that no gods exist, how do you explain how we came to be alive on this earth, do you believe in Evolution? and have you died and come back and so can say without doubt there is no God, Heaven or Hell?

    Something that is very important to know Midori, is that faith comes by hearing the word of God not just wishing for it, how much of the Bible have you read and researched ?

    Kind Regards – Anne.

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  11. Seyi sandra December 28, 2015 / 8:27 pm

    A real, thoughtful post. The thing is, we serve a God who gave us freewill hence the devil’s ability to kill, destroy and scatter the children of disobedience. God would not force anyone to believe He exists, because He does, no matter what anyone believes.

    I would be back to your blog because it flows with the abundance grace only God can give.

    Have a great new year my friend! 🙂

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 29, 2015 / 7:43 am

      Thank you Sandra for stopping by and for commenting. I really appreciate your compliments.

      I would be glad to have you back here as you promised. As God enables me, I will post more stuffs that portray the love and mercy of God.

      Once again, thank you so much. Regards.

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  12. Midori Skies December 30, 2015 / 1:23 am

    Anne, evolution is a scientific theory backed by mountains of evidence and tons of experiments. I accept it as scientific fact just like I accept the germ theory of disease or the ideal gas laws or relativity. Evolution doesn’t explain where life came from, though. It just explains the ways in which life changes over time. There are some hypotheses about abiogenesis that seek to explain how life could have begun on ancient earth, including some experiments which show some level of plausibility for the ideas, but we don’t really know yet how life originated. It may be that we will discover some scientific explanation for the origin of life in the future, but we’re not there yet.

    So, I don’t explain how we came to be alive on this earth, because I don’t know the answer. I’m perfectly comfortable acknowledging that I don’t know something, because it’s the truth. But just because I don’t know how something happened doesn’t mean I find “God did it” to be a convincing or satisfying explanation.

    “and have you died and come back and so can say without doubt there is no God, Heaven or Hell?”

    Of course not. Have you died and come back to be able to say with absolute certainty that there is a god or Heaven or Hell?

    That’s an absolutely ridiculous standard of evidence to expect. What I see is that there is no more good evidence for any gods than there is for Bigfoot or leprechauns. It’s perfectly fine to say that Bigfoot is made up or that there’s no such thing as leprechauns. It would be absurd to ask someone how they can know that the Loch Ness monster doesn’t exist if they haven’t searched every nook and cranny of Loch Ness. So why does it suddenly become about 100% certainty and beyond all doubt when it’s people saying there are no gods? You can’t prove the non-existence of anything with absolute certainty, whether that’s gods, fairies, an invisible pink unicorn or a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between Earth and Mars. But gods are the only thing on that list that people ask for absolute certainty for their non-existence.

    “Something that is very important to know Midori, is that faith comes by hearing the word of God not just wishing for it, how much of the Bible have you read and researched ?”

    The vast majority of it, actually. I’ve read the entire New Testament and something between a half and two thirds of the Old Testament. I also went to church every Sunday for over a decade, so I have heard many, many sermons. I’m even planning to do a read through of the entire Bible (and also the Quran) in the near future, including blogging about what I read. I have read apologetics (like C. S. Lewis’ Mere Christianity), got an introduction to common apologetic arguments in my intro college philosophy course (teleological arguments, the problem of evil, etc.), and I’ve seen a number of different arguments online by interacting with religious believers on blogs like this one. I’ve also done some research on where the Bible comes from (e.g. when the gospels were probably written, the council of Nicaea). My faith was very important to me when I was a believer (I spent a great deal of time on church, Bible reading and prayer), and I didn’t stop learning and researching after I became an atheist.

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  13. Midori Skies December 30, 2015 / 1:43 am

    Victor, I feel like we are talking past each other. You haven’t answered any of my questions. You just keep telling me I need to have faith and believe, that I should “believe in His son Jesus and ask Him to come into [my] life”, and then I will “see how much difference that will make in [my] life”, but I have already done that. I spent over half my life believing in Jesus and I have not seen that difference that you say I should. And when you just keep telling me to have faith, that feels invalidating, as if you were saying that I did not really have faith before, or that I did not really search for God with an open and sincere heart.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 30, 2015 / 11:44 am

      Midori, I would say I understood your points well. I also believe I have answered all your relevant questions as much as the issue in discourse is concerned.

      I talk about faith always because that’s what everything in seeking God boils down to. You will know it when you get there…

      Without faith it is impossible to please God and he that comes to Him must believe that He exists. That is the crux of the matter.

      If you believe in Jesus to the exclusion of everything else, you will get the result it says you will get. I have tried to explain this as simply as I could….

      When you say you believe, you don’t start doubting thereafter again. You believe, you stay believing. It is a thing of the heart first, not a thing of the head.

      Thanks for your time.

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  14. Midori Skies December 30, 2015 / 9:52 pm

    Victor. If you’re going to ignore most of my questions (like “what is this evidence of God you mention in your post?”), and then invalidate decades of my life by telling me I never really believed (even though you know next to nothing about me), then I don’t really see any point in continuing to converse with you.

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    • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 31, 2015 / 12:42 am

      Midori reading Scripture as you claim you did without God’s wisdom and His empowering by the Holy Spirit, means you would not see what Victor and I see and many other Christians know as Truth too which is God’s reality but He is also seen in Creation so you will be without excuse. But sadly like I was you have been lied to and having been an Atheist for almost 30 years in my head but not my heart or I would still be one, I know the deception that has robed you of your Peace .

      It’s because of the Evolution Theory that you now believe in which contradicts the Bible but there is no proof for this man made delusion because it is not a reality, it can’t be as the Link below shows very clearly, you also need to Study Christian Scientists findings not Secular ones who keep changing their minds and they do so because they can’t prove Evolution.

      Creation – https://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2015/10/03/wow-a-new-missing-link-has-been-found/

      Kind Regards – Anne.

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  15. Victor Uyanwanne December 30, 2015 / 11:06 pm

    Midori, no offence intended here please. I thought I addressed your questions as appropriate.

    Now that you are specific to “the evidence of God”, I will add the following points:

    1. The evidence of God is Jesus Christ revealed;
    2. The evidence of God is as revealed in the Word of God as written in the Bible;
    3. The evidence of God is that although Jesus was crucified and put in the grave, God raised Him on the third day and is now alive forever;
    4. The evidence of God is that He saved me and many others from sin through Jesus Christ;
    5. The evidence of God is that He now lives in me through the Holy Spirit,;
    6. The evidence of God is that people are getting saved all over the word by a simple faith in His son Jesus Christ;
    7. The evidence of God is that He is calling mankind into a personal relationship with Him through Jesus Christ.
    8. The evidence of God is that all the universe was created by Him.
    9. The evidence of God is the breadth on my nostrils, because He is the origin of life.

    Midori, I could go on and on a long that line. But you see they cannot be sensually understood. Faith has to be involved.

    Talking about faith, may be we are not on the same page yet. But to be clear about it, I will state that the faith that believes that Gold exists will find Him. The faith

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  16. Victor Uyanwanne December 30, 2015 / 11:18 pm

    The faith that accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and savour will find God.
    The faith that accepts the Bible as the authentic word of God will find God.
    The faith that accepts the God of the Bible to the exclusion of all other is the valid faith I know.
    Regards.

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  17. Midori Skies December 31, 2015 / 5:06 am

    Anne.

    I “claim” to have read scriptures? I was “lied to”? I have been “robbed” of my “peace”? My acceptance of scientific theory is “delusion”? Are you trying to be condescending?

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 31, 2015 / 7:34 am

      If I may come in here Midori. I do not think Anne was “trying to be condescending” as you suggested.

      Being a former atheist herself, I believe she was speaking from ‘the truth’ she gained from her own experience.

      Anne is a good example of someone who found God by faith in Jesus Christ – another prove that God can be found. Regards.

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  18. Midori Skies December 31, 2015 / 5:33 am

    Victor, thank you for answering my question. If it requires faith to see the evidence, though, that’s not really what I think of when I hear the word “evidence”. Which leads us right back to where we were before. You tell me I need to have faith, and I tell you I did have faith and still didn’t see the evidence.

    I could perhaps try a different approach. If someone told you that you just need to have faith, and then you will see the evidence that Allah (or some other god) is the one true god, would you take them seriously? Would you make that leap of faith?

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    • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 31, 2015 / 6:16 am

      You didn’t see the right evidence because you looked in the wrong place Midori and believed a lie and by your own confession now, you still want to believe the lies, so you will never have True Faith and you never did as Victor shared with you, Truth Faith never wavers because it’s from God who fills a seeking heart with His Truth… As Victor also shared … from the Bible; when you search for God with all your heart you will find Him.

      But you won’t find Him Midori while ever your mind is full of Evolution and Big Bang rubbish, because rubbish in rubbish out.

      God tells us very clearly in His inspired Scripture that He created us and the World in six days and He does not lie, man does but He does not!

      Kind regards – Anne.

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      • Victor Uyanwanne December 31, 2015 / 7:47 am

        Anne. I am thrilled by this response. You hit the nail on the head, better than I did. Thanks for contributing.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 31, 2015 / 7:45 am

      Midori, I am happy to hear this time around that your question was answered.

      I did say you should have faith in just anything or anyone for that matter. I am talking about faith in Jesus Christ, as the only Lord and Saviour. That’s true faith.

      In my part of the world, I have people who say they have faith in their wooden or iron god. But I know with out doubt that their faith is misplaced, because a wooden god cannot forgive sin, neither can it change people.

      There is only one True God and the Way to Him is through Faith in Jesus Christ. That’s it Midori. Regards.

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      • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 31, 2015 / 12:00 pm

        Victor you reminded me of the years I was in darkness, even though I had been to Church, I became addicted to gambling and when seeking help I went to Gamblers Anonymous, it comes from A.A the 12 Steps were written by a Christian Minister but were later wrongly changed by a Member from seeking Jesus for deliverance to seeking god as you know Him.

        One man chose an old tree for his god and he prayed and sung to the Tree, told it his problems and yes he didn’t gamble again until the tree was cut down and a woman claimed the Aussie Kangaroo was her god until she was hit by one.

        I came to True heart repentance after nearly committing suicide, I felt at the time that God could not Love someone as evil as me because I could not stop gambling even after I had been to G.A for 3 years but Jesus went after His lost sheep and I came to my senses and Wow what a welcome Home.Than after being anointed with oil and prayed for by a Church Elder, I was delivered and also healed Miraculously of two life threatening conditions and I have never gambled since and it is now many years later, yes I was tempted once but I asked Jesus to help me and He did and now I have no desire to gamble at all.

        We have a God of the impossible and I don’t doubt it at all and I’m sure you don’t either Victor.

        “Christ”ian Love – Anne.

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        • Victor Uyanwanne December 31, 2015 / 12:12 pm

          Thanks Anne for sharing this wonderful story about your life. Again an eloquent evidence that our God is alive and still changing lives. I hope that Midori and Jason get to read it.

          Of course, I don’t doubt that God can do the impossible. That’s why I so much believe that all doubters can be converted.

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  19. Midori Skies December 31, 2015 / 8:36 am

    I think I’ve had enough of being condescended to, and told I never “really” believed.

    Victor, if you wouldn’t make that leap of faith when someone told you that you just needed to have faith in their god, then I don’t see why you think I should find that same argument convincing. I’m sure you’ll say your god is different, somehow, but I only have your word for it.

    And I still find it very frustrating when you keep telling me I just need to have faith, and then denying or dismissing my experiences when I say that I did have faith.

    Frankly, I don’t see any point in continuing this conversation. We just keep covering the same points over and over, and I’m tired of having my experiences dismissed.

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      • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 31, 2015 / 11:14 am

        I’m pleased you agree Jason because Evolutionists can’t prove the world is billions of years old, Carbon dating can only confirm 4,000 to 6,000 years and the other ways of dating the earth and Planets are just theories. God tells us He created the World to be inhabited by us not left empty for billions of years while we evolved.

        Strange I have not heard you or Midori respond to the evidence on my link which confirms that we couldn’t have evolved from animals, no doubt your speechless.

        Nailed it!

        Kind regards – Anne

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        • Jason Philo December 31, 2015 / 5:50 pm

          I had not replied to your link because I had not seen the conversation for a while. Looking at it again is laughable. Your source for these “facts” is not from peer-reviewed scientific work, but from creation scientists, with no peer-reviewed work and just consists of mash-ups of the bible and science-ey words to make it sound good to anyone who does not know how to fact check something.

          Did you know that *if* the earth is only 4-6 thousand years old (which I’m guessing is the point you’re making there), we would not be able to view the majority of the stars in the sky, but only a small portion that are within the 4-6 thousand light-year distance? Is it a fair guess that you “believe” in the speed of light is 186k miles per second? If not, you can research it yourself, test it, and learn for yourself that fact. In the long run, it really doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not, because it’s as true as the moon orbiting the earth.

          On the other hand, proof of the Christian God, or any other of the myriads that have existed throughout human history, cannot be found. No one can prove they exist. It relies on special revelation. This is also true for Satan, demons, or any other evil spirits. I cannot go to my local university to study these things, but have to read an ancient book *hoping* that I’m doing it right and find favor in the God of the Hebrews to reveal himself to me, and if not then I’m lost to hell instead of eternity in heaven (two additional places for which there’s no evidence).

          I simply choose to make decisions based on facts and information rather than a feeling or an imaginary voice in my head calling itself “God”. And for the times that there’s no answer, I’m okay with that too, content with saying “I don’t know”. It’s a simpler life. It’s not hopeless. I make my own value and purpose and enjoy each day simply making the most of the time I have. *If* there’s something after life, then great. Which reminds me, you used “has Jason died and come back to prove…” a couple of times: No, I have not and neither have you. And if either of us had, we could still not prove the existence of an afterlife because it’s a subjective personal experience — just like our favorite colors.

          So in the long run, if religion makes sense to you, good for you. But be wary of the threats you impose upon yourself and others. They’re a sign of weakness and insecurity. It makes more sense to me to avoid someone who says, “love me or suffer forever.”

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          • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 1, 2016 / 12:42 am

            Let’s look at Stars Jason and than we will look at why we are answerable to God who Created us and it’s not His will for anyone to suffer Eternally or He would not have sent Jesus to Redeem us, it is our choice where we choose to spend Eternity, He does not want Puppets that have no free will, so we have a choice to make and it is by God’s Mercy and Grace that we do, since the Fall we were all doomed to Eternal damnation, Satan won the right to destroy us by his deception, Jesus has set us free and believing in Him means we choose to be.

            I will leave you the Link Jason so you can read the full write up on Stars and also about the speed of light and other Truths, it would indeed help you greatly to know what Christian Scientists have confirmed as Truth and error, which no doubt will surprise you too. Some of these Scientists are Nobel Prize winners and others are highly respected for their achievements in Science including Astronomy, I do have a list of their Names and their Awards if wanted. I have also been a Volunteer for Creation Ministries in Queensland and can testify to their Integrity and God centered focus, we use to all pray together every Tuesday and at times they shared amazing Truths over lunch, yes they were humble too, they always made me feel part of the team as they did everyone else too.

            How do Astronomers determine the age of a Star? There is no direct method. The age is worked out based on assumptions about what stars are, how they form, and how they change over millions of years. We need to realize that these assumptions have very limited testability. No one was present to observe the stars form in the past, and no stars have been observed to form in the present. (Evolutionists claim to find evidence of ongoing star formation in various gas nebulae but none have been actually imaged and the glowing could be heated, compressed gas.5) Furthermore, there has not been enough time to observe any of the evolutionary changes postulated by Stellar Evolutionary Theory.

            Nevertheless, starting from a theoretical sequence of how they envisage stars have evolved over millions of years, astronomers interpret the age of a star from its colour and brightness (or magnitude). These are plotted on the standard astronomy tool used to classify stellar populations, the Hertzsprung-Russell or H-R diagram (simply a plot of brightness vs colour). Most stars plot together forming a curved line termed the ‘main sequence’.6

            For example, Astronomers assume that all main sequence stars with a mass equal or greater than 0.08 of the sun’s mass, derive all their energy by ‘burning’ hydrogen by nuclear fusion. Main sequences stars with greater than 1.2 solar masses are assumed to ‘burn’ hydrogen via the carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen (CNO) cycle. These assumptions are difficult to test. From these assumptions, Astronomers working on the Phoenix project have concluded that the Population I stars are much younger stars:

            ‘We present new deep VI ground-based photometry of the Local Group dwarf galaxy Phoenix. Our results confirm that this galaxy is mainly dominated by red stars, with some blue plume stars indicating recent (100 Myr old) star formation in the central part of the galaxy. … These results were then used to obtain the color-magnitude diagrams for three different regions of Phoenix in order to study the variation of the properties of its stellar Population.’ 7

            This discovery of young Population I stars in the dwarf Phoenix galaxy has astonished Astronomers because it does not fit the current ideas of galaxy formation…………

            Link- http://creation.com/

            So Jason we know that the God created the earth and all that is in it in 6 days or He is not telling us the Truth but when did He create the Solar System?

            Kind regards – Anne.

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            • Jason Philo January 1, 2016 / 2:38 am

              Those points do not prove God created the heavens. They prove those things are there, not that a Middle-Eastern war God made them.

              This is really pointless. I was excited to see a comment that had content, even if I don’t agree with the conclusion. Then you went back to your regular rude, arrogant self. I don’t get your human belly button comment anyway. I’m thinking it was with the unique navel thing from your crappy science link?

              I hope you feel like you’re making Jesus proud.

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              • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 1, 2016 / 3:43 am

                Just proves you didn’t read my other link Jason (see below) or you would know we can’t evolve from Animals and why, as for being rude you were the one who used the expression Nail It! I thought you felt it was a good, so are you saying it’s not ?

                Creation – https://freedomborn.wordpress.com/2015/10/03/wow-a-new-missing-link-has-been-found/

                I have no doubt Jason that my Abba Father delights in me as His Redeemed Daughter, He tells us He does in Scripture and He does not Lie, He even sings over us and Jesus Christ is my Spiritual Husband and I walk proudly with Him, I have His Name and He is leading me into all Truth.

                “Christ”ian Love – Anne.

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                  • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 1, 2016 / 7:14 am

                    That’s not a surprise Jason, you didn’t come here with a teachable Spirit, Victor showed both you and Midori enough evidence to confirm God’s Reality and so did I.

                    As a man/woman thinks in their heart so their actions will follow.

                    Kind Regards – Anne.

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                    • Jason Philo January 1, 2016 / 4:15 pm

                      There’s nothing wrong with reason and evidence as tools to make sense of the world. I just prefer mine to be more tangible and less subjective.

                      We all do our best. Be well.

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                    • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 1, 2016 / 4:45 pm

                      Jason why do you search for answers from those who don’t have answers just assumptions, Theories and fleshy logic and reasoning but no proof, if you are genuine about knowing God’s reality, the Bible has enough evidence to open your eyes to His Truth, only God could have known some of the things recorded in it when they were recorded.

                      Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.(KJV)

                      God Loves you Jason I have no doubt about that, He wants you to know Him, His plans for you are so good, you can’t even imagine how good, He Loved you before you were conceived, you have not committed the unforgivable sin Jason or you would not be here now, you would be content wallowing in the mud, we would be of no interest to you or what we believe.

                      There is a man who came back from the dead and it is documented by the Hospital where he died and also that he came back to life in the morgue, would you like to hear his story? I’m going to bed now it’s late in Aussie Land but if wanted I will post the link in the Morning.

                      “Christ”ian Love – Anne.

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                    • Jason Philo January 1, 2016 / 4:57 pm

                      In case I’ve not been clear, I’m not searching for God any longer. That concept does not make sense to me any longer. Also, as a Jewish man, Jesus holds no appeal whatsoever, which is an entirely different topic. 🙂

                      My interest started as a response to Victor’s post to share a differing viewpoint on topic with his post.

                      Sleep well.

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                    • Victor Uyanwanne January 1, 2016 / 5:05 pm

                      Jason, I am convinced your initial comment on my post was not an accident. I have totally enjoyed the conversations so far. Already two new posts have arisen from the exchanges…But there could be more to it, that may not be too clear yet. God loves you Jason and so do I.

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                    • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 2, 2016 / 3:41 am

                      Why did you bother Jason if you had no interest, were you looking for an argument? Victor will not respond that way he has no need to, he has the Truth and so do I but I have Ministered to Atheists before and know those who are seeking for a fight but I do not feel you are, somewhere deep inside you are searching for the Truth, The Holy Spirit is working in your life but God will not force you to believe but He is calling out to you to respond to His invitation to be in His Family.

                      Below is the Link I told you about, I would be interested in knowing your perceptions Jason as to what Ian shares about his experience with death and please remember it was officially documented that he did die physically and came back to life later.

                      http://www.aglimpseofeternity.org/content.php?folder_id=14

                      Blessings – Anne.

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                    • Jason Philo January 3, 2016 / 2:36 pm

                      I had interest in exchange of ideas, an expected purpose of public posting of ideas. I am not searching for religion as I’ve played that song for a while and it got to where it no longer fit in how I see the world. That is all.

                      I’ve heard stories similar to Ian’s. Heaven is Real and other similar stories are like it as well. I don’t doubt that these people had experiences, but you can’t remember experiences without your brain working. Usually people out leave out bits of the stories that don’t make sense, or don’t add to the theme (like the way we will leave out pieces of a dream that seem irrelevant to the story we’re telling). It also begs the question about people from other faiths/cultures that have near-death experiences (NDEs) but they see their gods instead of the christian one – are their experiences less valid? And only 1-2 people in 10 have reported this event after being revived, so in this case the majority of “evidence” is that nothing happens.

                      In short, it’s a very subjective experience that cannot be used as a reliable witness to the events occurring in this scenario.

                      But it does look like he’s made a bit of a living off of it. Good for him.

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                    • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 3, 2016 / 3:40 pm

                      Thanks Jason for getting back to me and yes I agree with you some do see what they believe like in a dream but Ian had no Faith in God before. I had an elderly friend who died and came back and Wow what a changed person she was, before she was very cynical and felt God was cruel but after her near-death experience she Loved God deeply and even asked Ron to start a Church Service in the Nursing Home where she lived.

                      Blessings – Anne.

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                    • Jason Philo January 3, 2016 / 4:01 pm

                      I do not disagree that surviving death would be a life-changing experience. A terrible reminder of how how fleeting it all is would certainly make the next sunrise a much sweeter one. Cheers

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                    • Victor Uyanwanne January 1, 2016 / 4:52 pm

                      Jason, not everything can be reasoned out.

                      Agreed that Physical things can be scrutinised by our senses. But in spiritual matters our five senses are just too handicapped to understand some things. Regards.

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                    • Jason Philo January 1, 2016 / 5:01 pm

                      Everything can be reasoned out. Some things take longer. We’re just on the cusp of understanding how the mind works, even in matters that would be considered spiritual by some. The things that are difficult to reason does not mean they cannot be and therefore God must be real — it just means it’s time to roll up your sleeves and get to work. We have great capabilities to understand the way our bodies and minds work — and there is much that has been learned and much remains.

                      Also regards. 🙂

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                    • Victor Uyanwanne January 1, 2016 / 5:11 pm

                      Jason, i smiled as I read your comments now. The mind that works, the great capabilities to understand… Couldn’t have been a product of evolution. There must be a God who made it possible!

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                    • Jason Philo January 2, 2016 / 2:29 pm

                      Hi, Victor. I did not forget about you. You hit on a big point with this statement and I needed to think of a concise and efficient reply.

                      Humans have an insatiable curiosity and desire to understand the world and find answers to the questions that day-to-day life makes. We also have an incredible learning capacity.

                      Our computers, tablets, and phones have great capabilities. The way they work is beyond me, but I do not attribute the things that I do not understand to god or jesus. I can pick up a book and learn about this.

                      Just as we can learn about computers, we are learning about the mechanics of human evolution and the processes our bodies are capable of now. And just because I do not understand them all, I can go see evidence myself at a university or museum and even go online to almost anywhere in the world from the comfort of my home.

                      Your comment made me smile because it possesses an insatiable curiosity. I am not going to ask you to give up your faith because it doesn’t affect me. But I will ask you to seek answers for the things you want to know. Go see the fossils for yourself. Find articles from scientists that have spent their professional lifetime studying the facts. To be clear, I’m not saying you have to give up your faith to do this, but try to understand the questions you have instead of being satisfied with the superficial answer of “there must be a god”. If humans still did that today, you and I would not be having this conversation. We wouldn’t have modern medicines. We wouldn’t have visited every planet in our solar system (or demoted a planet).

                      If you can, watch the Cosmos series by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. He is an incredibly friendly speaker on the world we live in. He explains how we’ve learned what we have in easy ways for us non-scientist types so that we can understand the principles. It’s also a gorgeous show to watch with incredible visual effects. God wants you to know more about your world, right? Cosmos (or the same book by Carl Sagan) is a great place to start.

                      It’s a pleasure sharing ideas with you, which was the goal I had in mind. Be well.

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                    • Victor Uyanwanne January 2, 2016 / 10:25 pm

                      Jason, I am not against knowledge. I am all for discovering the world we live in.

                      Actually it gives me pleasure to see scientists tell us more about a world or the universe created by my Father God. Nothing wrong with that…

                      Where I disagree is where I am told that such a finely ordered universe was not created by any God, which to me is really laughable because even common sense can see that such a complex arrangement of things could not have resulted from the so-called big bang effect.

                      Talking about human curiosity, I am cool with that too. I am a curious person too. In fact your comment met me when I was writing a post on my mind about curiosity. Smiles.

                      You talked about computers, tablets phones. You are marvelled by their capabilities…rightly so. But remember that they have such capabilities because humans programmed them to do so.

                      Same way, the human mind could not have been so tremendous in capability too without God who designed it. You can call God the greatest programmer or designer ever….

                      Jason, this is really so obvious, that there is a super power who put the universe in place. I just can’t see why it is difficult for you to see. Regards

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                    • Jason Philo January 3, 2016 / 2:17 pm

                      I guess we both have an eyesight problem then. 😉

                      Be well, Victor. It’s been fun talking with you. Maybe one day we can talk in person when the conversation can be more fluid, and laughs can be shared.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne December 31, 2015 / 11:49 pm

      Midori, I really do not want you to feel condescended upon as you said. That’s definitely not our intension here. So it’s okay by me if you feel like discontinuing this online discussion because of that.

      You may reopen it later if you so desire. On the alternative, I may recommend that you meet a local pastor near you, who will be able to ‘lead’ you to God as it were. Is that too much to ask?

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  20. Victor Uyanwanne December 31, 2015 / 11:52 pm

    Midori, religion didn’t make sense to me. But a personal relationship with Jesus Christ did, and still does.

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  21. Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 3, 2016 / 10:09 am

    Hi Victor, I found something you may find very interesting, I certainly did but let me know what you think, although I’m sure you will find it a blessing, as it does show God’s Love and Truth impacting lives.

    Ten Quotes from Former Atheists……..

    1. “Supposing there was no intelligence behind the universe, no creative mind. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. It is merely that when the atoms inside my skull happen, for physical or chemical reasons, to arrange themselves in a certain way, this gives me, as a by-product, the sensation I call thought. But, if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true? It’s like upsetting a milk jug and hoping that the way it splashes itself will give you a map of London. But if I can’t trust my own thinking, of course I can’t trust the arguments leading to Atheism, and therefore have no reason to be an Atheist, or anything else. Unless I believe in God, I cannot believe in thought: so I can never use thought to disbelieve in God.” — C.S. Lewis, The Case for Christianity

    2. “It was the evidence from Science and History that prompted me to abandon my Atheism and become a Christian.” — Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ

    3. “To be honest, I didn’t want to believe that Christianity could radically transform someone’s character and values. It was much easier to raise doubts and manufacture outrageous objections that to consider the possibility that God actually could trigger a revolutionary turn-around in such a depraved and degenerate life.” — Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ

    4. “If skeptics were willing to give the Gospels the same ‘benefit of the doubt’ they are willing to give other ancient documents, the Gospels would easily pass the test of Authorship.” — Warner Wallace, Cold Case Christianity

    5. “When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced Atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian Theology are in fact True, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics.” — Frank Tipler, The Physics of Immortality.

    6. “Atheism, I began to realize, rested on a less-than-satisfactory evidential basis. The arguments that had once seemed bold, decisive, and conclusive increasingly turned out to be circular, tentative, and uncertain.” — Alister McGrath, Breaking The Science-Atheism Bond

    7. “I thought this gesture [burning his Bible] was a way of showing that I had finally rejected all the things that I had been brought up to believe, and I went on to behave for the next 20 years of my life exactly as if I didn’t believe in Him [God], and that’s how I discovered in the end that what I had rejected was right.” — Peter Hitchens, The Rage Against God

    8. “My Atheistic philosophy had allowed me to lose my compassion for others. I no longer had the ability to love anyone, not even myself. I had become apathetic to life itself. For years, I had been dead, but because I continued to walk and talk, I didn’t know it. But now, I was Born again and the spirit that was in me, which had allowed me to understand Spiritual things, connected with the glorious and perfect higher consciousness of Jesus Christ” — A.S.A. Jones, Testimony of a Former Atheist

    9. “Some time last week, I realized that I could no longer call myself a skeptic. After fifteen years away from Christianity, most of which was spent as an Atheist with an active, busy intent on destroying the Faith, I returned to a Church (with a real intention of going for worship) last Sunday. Although I know I may struggle with doubt for the rest of my life, my life as an Atheist is over.” — Darrin Rasberry, The Journey of An Old Atheist Convert

    10. “I very seldom like to mention the turning point of my own life, for it is a very private matter and sometimes still hurts to think of it, to say nothing of the embarrassment it must bring my family. But I cannot resist thinking of that most poignant moment of my past. I was seventeen years old when, with neither great intensity or great anguish, I came to the recognition that life had very little meaning. The more I pondered its harsh implication the closer I drew to a decision. That decision was to choose the way of suicide……..

    “I found myself after that attempt lying in a Hospital bed, having expelled all the poison that I had taken but unsure if I would recover. There on that bed, with a dehydrated body, the Scriptures were read to me. The flooding of my heart with the news that Jesus Christ could come into my life and that I could know God personally defies the depths to which the Truth overwhelmed me. In that moment with a simple prayer of Trust, the change from a desperate heart to one that found the fullness of meaning became a reality for me. God reached down to a Teenager in a Hospital bed in the city of New Delhi, a mega-city of teeming millions. Imagine! God cared enough to hear my cry. How incredible, that He has a personal interest in the struggles of our lives. I cannot express it better than to say that His self-sufficiency and greatness do not deny us the wonderful Joy of being affirmed in our individuality and of knowing that we are of unique value to Him. That was the point of the parable Jesus told about the Shepherd who left the ninety-nine sheep in the fold and went looking for the one.“ — Ravi Zacharias, The Cries of The Heart

    “Christ”ian Love Always – Anne.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne January 3, 2016 / 10:45 am

      Thank you so much Anne. I found it very interesting. I wish our friends Jason and Midori read and think of these too. Regards.

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      • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 3, 2016 / 11:25 am

        I thought you would find it interesting Victor but as for Jason and Midori they may still reject it’s Truth but we will continue to pray for their confusion to be resolved for God’s glory.

        Blessings – Anne.

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        • Victor Uyanwanne January 3, 2016 / 11:52 am

          Yea, I did find it interesting. Prayer is key. We will continue to pray for them. Thanks.

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  22. Midori Skies January 7, 2016 / 2:34 am

    Hello again, Victor. I decided to come back to this thread, not to continue to debate about the existence of God, but to explain in more detail why I felt condescended to. I’m going to take you at your word that you did not want to come across as condescending, and assume that you are willing to change your approach to better be able to talk with atheists in the future.

    One of the things you have told me repeatedly is that since I am no longer a Christian, I must have never really believed in the first place. This is in direct contradiction to what I have told you my experiences have been. In denying that my experiences were what I say they were, you are implying that you know more about my own experiences than I do. I hope you can see why I might find this problematic.

    I’m not saying you need to change your beliefs to match my experiences. I wouldn’t suddenly change my position because someone told me they had felt the presence of God. I might disagree with their interpretation of their experience or offer an alternative explanation. But I’m not going to tell them they didn’t experience it. They know far more about their own experiences than I do.

    “I thought you would find it interesting Victor but as for Jason and Midori they may still reject it’s Truth but we will continue to pray for their confusion to be resolved for God’s glory.”

    This was one of Anne’s comments, but I will use it for an example. Imagine for a second how you would feel if Jason or I left a comment saying, “Victor and Anne still deny that their sky fairy is a myth, but we will continue to hope that they will eventually see through their delusions.” Throwing around words like “confusion” and “delusions” is not helpful in seeking to have a civil conversation. Neither is framing the other person’s position as denial. Now, it might be useful if you want to mock the other person in an attempt to show the audience that the other person’s position is ridiculous, but I am guessing that is not your intention here.

    If you are interested in learning more about how to better relate to atheists, I recommend watching this video: What Atheists Wish Christians Knew About Them

    It’s about 15 minutes long and was part of “Interview an Atheist in Church Day”.

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    • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 7, 2016 / 4:47 am

      Midori you are more than confused, to say there is no God even though the evidence shows there is, means your foolish and this is what God calls you Himself but He still Loves you even though you don’t deserve to be Loved, none of us do, we all put Jesus on the Cross because of our sin but He is giving you like He did us a chance to repent and accept His free gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ but He won’t make you repent, it’s still your choice.

      Now let’s get it straight, Midori you have no evidence that God does not exist and that we evolved yet you claim we are wrong when we do have evidence that God exists and that we did not evolve both of which I have also shared with you without having a response from you.

      I want to ask you something Midori, if someone called the Person you Loved passionately and who came first in your life names that Mocked them, how would you feel ? would you want to continue talking to them ? you and others who claim there is no God and Slander and Mock Him even calling Him a sky fairy, think Christians owe you an apology but we don’t! we stand up for God’s Truth as He tells us to do and we do not have to apologize for doing this or accept the evil you and others propagate.

      Victor Lovingly overlooked your rudeness trying to reach you because he is a very Loving man but you hurt God, Victor, myself and any other Christian who read your unloving words here about our Heavenly Father.

      I suggest you examine yourself first Midori and apologize for your rudeness before you lay blame on us Christians who seek to reach you in Love before you suffer Eternally, which is your choice not God’s will, He has given you a way to escape an Evil Destiny and yet sadly you Mock Him.

      “Christ”ian Love – Anne.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne January 7, 2016 / 8:25 am

      Thank you Midori for coming back here, especially after you had said you were done with it. Your comments are noted and appreciated.

      I want you to know that Anne and I value you as a person, irrespective of your views about our God. So as you maintain that you felt ‘condescended’ upon by the way we made our points, then it is not a big deal for me to say my apologies for that.

      As you rightly observed, our intention is not to mock you for not believing in our God… Never. But it doesn’t rule out the fact that I pray and sincerely hope that you will someday find a reason to believe in God through Jesus Christ His Son. That’s my heart desire, so please don’t be offended by that again. (Pun intended).

      I watched the video. May be some of the points are okay by me. But what if I told you some of them are incorrect?

      For instance, the speaker said believing is not a choice. Actually, it is. Not believing is also a choice, I should add.

      In fact, in Christianity you don’t become a Christian until you decide or choose to believe in God through His Son Jesus Christ.

      It is not forced. It is not inherited by the circumstance of birth. It is not a coincidence. It it completely a thing of choice.

      I will like to stop here except I get an indication that you are still open to further conversation.
      Regards.

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  23. Midori Skies January 7, 2016 / 6:58 am

    Anne, from your comment, I’m not entirely sure that you actually understood that my “sky fairy” comment was entirely _hypothetical_ The entire point of including it was to show you what a condescending comment from an atheist might look like, so that it might be compared with the condescending things that have been said to and about me in this thread, in the hope that you might empathetically understand my point of view.

    I have previously stated that I am done with being condescended to here. That has not changed. I did not come back here to continue our previous conversation, but to offer Victor a potentially useful, more detailed description of why I left this thread.

    But Anne, you have proven time and again that you are unwilling to respect me. Your “love” seems to involve condescending to me and throwing insults at me, while my “evil” seems to involve respectfully disagreeing with you. If that is what “love” and “evil” are, then I will take my “evil” over your “love” any day. Please keep your “love” to yourself. I want no part of it.

    I hope you can take your own advice and examine your own actions before blaming others, but I will not be responding to your comments again, whatever happens.

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    • Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus January 7, 2016 / 9:49 am

      I suggest you read your own comments again Midori and ours too, I offer no apology for sharing God’s Truth, He does call you a fool the same as I was when I believed the lies of false Teachers and Trusted in my own fleshy worldly understanding.

      Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

      Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

      Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. – (KJV)

      If you felt we were condescending Midori,, that is your problem, not ours, both what Victor and I shared was in Love but you reject God’s Truth and that is why you see what we share as Negative instead of Positive, I see no need for us to apologize for your wrong judgmental understanding and it’s Jesus Love your rejecting not ours, remember that on Judgment Day.

      I will now move on and delete this link but I will continue like Victor to pray for you both to come to your senses and Repent of your foolishness, time is short.

      “Christ”ian Love – Anne.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne February 14, 2016 / 3:31 pm

      Midori, I revisited this thread only to find that I had not responded to your last comment. Your points are noted, and I believe you noted mine too.

      By the way, am I talking with the same person I knew as Midori Skies? I can see Alex Black now instead. Regards.

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  24. oneta hayes January 29, 2016 / 7:03 am

    I see that you visited me today. You left a like on Mocking God, and marked my follow. Thanks I have come to do the same so I will see you more. I agree with you that it boggles my mind how anyone can not believe in God. His evidence is all around us.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne January 29, 2016 / 7:11 am

      Thanks Oneta for your commenting and stopping by. I will be glad to see you more here too.

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  25. Alex Black February 15, 2016 / 12:41 am

    Yeah, same person.

    On beliefs being a choice, I have heard that many times. But I have not experienced my own beliefs as a choice. When I was a child, I believed what my parents told me. When I grew up and started looking for my own reasons to believe, and didn’t find any good reason to believe? I didn’t choose to stop believing. I just one day realized that I had. That was pretty scary for a while, especially until I got over my fear of hell.

    I won’t deny the possibility that other people have chosen their beliefs. But that has not been my experience.

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    • Victor Uyanwanne February 15, 2016 / 5:19 am

      Didn’t we all believe what we were told as children? Of course we did. But as we grew up, we became able to make up our minds on things on what to believe or not to believe.

      To my mind, believing is a choice, not believing is a choice. No man is a robot…. No body controls our minds for us.

      We are all now responsible for our individual choices. What we believe is our choice, what we don’t believe is our choice

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