Conversations With Atheists 1

Are Atheists not destined for the love of God?

Earlier in the year, I published 16 Sobering Things Every Atheist Should Know. It was a sequel to a previous blog, To Those Who Say There Is No God. Both posts were specifically written with atheists in mind. And as expected they elicited all manner of reactions from people, especially avowed atheists.

Some of the discussions that followed To Those Who Say There Is No God, have been previously published in the series When You Encounter An Atheist For The First Time. Beginning with this post, we shall be starting a new series titled Conversations With Atheists.

The purpose of the series will be to highlight some important parts of  the online interactions I had with some people who commented on 16 Sobering Things Every Atheist Should Know, with a view to opening up the issues for further discussions and impressions here and beyond.

But first, we will need to take a look at some extracts from that referenced background post:

  • Even though I believe that God exists, I am aware that there are people from around the world who do not believe in His existence.
  • Life is meaningless if God did not exist.
  • The fact that some people do not believe in God does not diminish Him by any measure.
  • The Bible is the manual of life God gave to man. It is the final authority on anything there is to know about God and His creation.
  • God loves you even if you don’t believe in Him. The fact that you don’t believe in God does not mean that He is angry with you. In fact, He loves you too much to be angry with you.
  • It is true that there can be many ways to arrive a given destination. But when it comes to going to God, Jesus Christ is the Only Way.
  • According to the Bible, anyone who says God doesn’t exist, is a fool.

  • You can turn from atheism to God. Your life on earth is your only opportunity for you to know God, if you miss it you miss out forever.
  • You became an atheist by choice; you were not born as one. You get to know God by choice too.
  • God is big enough to handle any (mis)guided thoughts you might have about Him. But nothing can be sorted out without your cooperation.
  • You yourself know that you are not perfect; you are not without blemish. In order words, you are a sinner who needs the forgiveness of God. If you would make up your mind to seek Him in faith, you would find Him
  • You may not believe in God but you should understand that you are still answerable to Him. One day, you will stand before Him to explain how you lived your life here on Earth and what you did with the offer of grace by His son Jesus Christ.
  • There is a future reality called hellfire. You don’t have to go there if you decide to accept Jesus Christ now that you are still alive.

Many WordPress bloggers liked the post. But there were some readers that didn’t, as indicated by their comments. The comments and my responses to them will form the basis of Conversations With Atheists Series.

Needless to say, some of the comments from the professed atheists who responded are too abusive and unsavoury to be reposted here. We will therefore make do with extracts from some of the ‘reasonable’ conversations. (But if you don’t mind reading the largely offensive vituperations of the militant atheists that invaded my corner of WordPress as a result of that post, you may want to refer to the comment section of the original post).

God and Atheists

Let the conversations begin with this reader/commentator who felt that he is not destined for the love of God

Commentator 1
I don’t really know what I was expecting when I opened this page. But I have to admit I wasn’t expecting this.

This posts makes precisely no attempt to meet atheists at common ground or to have a message that might resonate or anything. It’s just an opportunity taken to preach, claimed to be aimed at atheists but very much written in the language that could rightly make someone think other religious people were the audience; almost literally preaching to the choir.

Surely you have encountered the basic point that the Bible is only convincing to people who already believe…

I don’t mean this to come of rude, but I think it would benefit your writing for atheists if you actually take a moment to really think about the message you want to send, instead of just threatening them with Hell (which they don’t believe in) and telling them they’re wrong (they already know you disagree with them and so would say that).

My Response
Thank you for reading and commenting. The purpose of the post was to present the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as it is to the atheists, not to establish a common ground as you expected.

… The issue of Hell is not a threat (I thought I mentioned that in the post) as you took it to be. It is an avoidable terrible future reality I tried to mention in love. The fact that you don’t believe in it doesn’t preclude its existence.

But wait a minute, let me be a bit curious: how come it was the mere mention of hellfire that caught your attention more than the love of God for you as explained in the post?

Commentator 1
I’m not currently destined for the love of God.

My Response
My understanding is that God loves us all, including you! So I would like to ask you why you feel “not currently destined for the love of God.”

Commentator 1
First of all, to avoid patronising conversation later on, I want to point out that I am having this conversation from within the Christian narrative, even though I don’t accept it as true. That’s probably too obvious to need pointing out, but I’ve had the ‘atheists can’t talk about that stuff’ argument used against me before.

Anyway, I’m going to be sent to Hell by virtue of not being able to believe: (1) a God exists; (2) a human sacrifice is a good thing; (3) perfection was ever a reasonable expectation of a person.

My Response
The death of Jesus Christ was a perfect sacrifice, without which the redemption of the human race would have been impossible. It is however not an approval for human sacrifice as you suggested.

God raised Jesus from death and He is alive forever. Therein lies the eternal hope of all men, including you.

Food for thought.

  • Do Christians have a “common ground” with atheists?
  • Why would someone say that God giving His Son to die for the sin of mankind is an act of human sacrifice, or is it?
  • What would make a man close his heart to the love of God, to the extent of believing that God’s love is not for him?

What do you say?


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10 thoughts on “Conversations With Atheists 1

  1. Brandon Adams November 16, 2016 / 8:40 pm

    Do Christians have “common ground” with atheists?

    More than we’d like to admit.

    For one thing, Christians don’t actually like what the Bible says any more than atheists do. Not if they’re honest. Not if they actually know their Bible. Christians don’t like hearing that they must change. They’re human. They don’t like the idea that God might ask for their death. They don’t like the idea that their best efforts at decency are “as filthy rags to God”, and only the substitutionary death, resurrection, and indwelling of Christ can save us. And if Christians do claim to like all this, then God is fully capable of taking it deeper until we no longer do. There is no earthly limit to how deep God must go to sanctify us.

    The difference is – Christians accept all this. They accept that “the wages of sin is death”, the high cost of following Jesus, and all the rest, because they recognize that our own personal standards and philosophies aren’t driving the car here. God’s are. And in the end, their experience of Christ is what seals the deal. We know God is real, because we’ve seen him move in ways that cannot be explained otherwise.

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    • VictorsCorner November 16, 2016 / 10:43 pm

      Brandon, thanks for the contribution. It makes alot of difference that the Christian believes whereas the atheist doesn’t. As you said, the “experience of Christ is what seals the deal.”
      Unfortunately for the atheist, he doesn’t have a real deal; what he has is a dead end. But Christ remains his only Hope, if he would acknowledge Him.

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  2. Anuli January 8, 2017 / 10:20 pm

    I believe everyone is entitled to the love of God. His arms are opened wide for everyone. This just reminded me of something I read about the Jews and Gentiles.

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    • VictorsCorner January 9, 2017 / 10:58 am

      Yes you are right. God’s love is for everyone. But sad to note that some people have rejected His unconditional love.

      You said you read something about the Jews and Gentiles. Do you mind sharing?

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      • Anuli January 9, 2017 / 11:39 am

        Yes. The book of Romans. What I understood was the Jews were seen as the circumcised, special under God and the Gentiles were seen as uncircumcised, but it was asked, does it mean the Gentiles have not the love of God? It also said that a Jew might be classified as under the assured coverage of God but that does not mean he is really of the Lord if he sinneth. It also said, if a Gentile abide by the law of God created through faith, should he still be undeserving of the love of God because he is a Gentile?

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  3. VictorsCorner January 9, 2017 / 12:09 pm

    In Christ, the love of God has been extended to all – Jews and Gentiles alike. Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision matters before God now.

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