3 Main Reasons That Confirmed Apostle Paul Wasn’t A Polished Speaker

In a previous post, it was established that despite being a very intellectual person, Apostle Paul was not a very polished speaker. But this did not anyway impede his ministry as he was as effective as he could ever be.

It is far better to be plain in speech, yet walking openly and consistently with the gospel, than to be admired by thousands, and be lifted up in pride… (Matthew Henry)

But how can we be so sure that the great Apostle Paul was not a man imbued with so much eloquence? The scriptures bear record of it as we shall see shortly.

Was apostle Paul a polished speaker?

In this post, we will consider three reasons confirming that Paul was not as gifted in oratory as he was in knowledge.

1) Apostle Paul humbly admitted he wasn’t a polished speaker

Even though Paul never exalted his credentials above the grace of God upon his life, he always listed his shining qualifications whenever an opportunity presented itself. So he wouldn’t​ have failed to list the power of oratory as one of his skills he if he had it.

Not only that, in 2 Corinthians 11:6, Paul categorically admitted in his own words that he was not a skilled speaker.

I may be unskilled as a speaker, but I’m not lacking in knowledge. We have made this clear to you in every possible way.

You might say that Paul was being humble by openly admitting that he was not a polished speaker. Agreed. But I think that the humility comes more from him pointing out a perceived weakness in him and not trying to cover it up with his strengths than from merely owning up to a skill he didn’t possess.

2) Eloquence was not part of Apostle Paul’s ministry strategy

Paul had a good understanding of what God sent him to do and what He didn’t send him to do. And in accomplishing what he was sent to do, his strategy was to depend on the power of God so that His name alone is gloried as the value of the Cross is made known.

For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with eloquent words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 1Cor1:17

Unlike Apollos whom we were clearly told was very eloquent in speeches while ministering (Acts 18:24), Paul stated that it was not part of his ministry strategy to display eloquence in speeches as he delivered the gospel messages he was sent to preach. Doing so, according to him, would have undermined the power in the Cross of Christ which he was commissioned to proclaim.

3) The people spoke about Apostle Paul’s speeches not being at the highest levels

Apart from the fact that Apostle admitted that he was not so eloquent in speeches, the people who heard him speak at various times and places also observed it and spoke about it to his hearing. Their observation bothered particularly on his body-frame and speech power.

For some say, “His letters are weighty and forceful, but his physical presence is unimpressive, and his speaking is of no account.” 1Cor 10:10

Paul must have been so diminutive a man some people in Corinth refered to him as a man with “unimpressive physical appearance.” Besides having a seemingly weak appearance, the people also observed that Paul’s “manner of speaking is of no account.” And Paul was fully aware of this uncomplementary notion the people had about him.

However, it has to be mentioned that the people recognised that Paul wrote powerful letters even though his speeches appeared less impressive. It seemed to me that what he lacked in speaking skills was fully compensated by his writing prowess.

Base on the foregoing, you might say Paul’s speeches were not at the highest levels as he wasn’t outstandingly eloquent as some other speakers in his time might have been. But in no way did the gospel suffer as a result of this perceived lack of oratorial skills. Rather it made it more obvious that the power of Christ was at work in Him.

What do you think?


©Copyright 2017 | Victor Uyanwanne

126 thoughts on “3 Main Reasons That Confirmed Apostle Paul Wasn’t A Polished Speaker

  1. dettinger47 15/09/2017 / 11:23 pm

    Excellent study (both posts) on a great man. You made the very important point that Paul depended on God for his strength, not his physical attributes. Well done, Victor.

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    • VictorsCorner 16/09/2017 / 2:10 pm

      Thank you David for the validation. I think Paul’s case is a good example for all of us: irrespective of our obvious or not-so-obvious weaknesses or perceived strengths, God can still use us to show forth the value of the Cross to the people around us – if we let Him.

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  2. gadolelohai 16/09/2017 / 3:20 pm

    The Corinthians are quite right in what they perceived of proud and argumentative and dividing Paul who later suffered incurable Satan’s thorns…After reading Letters of Barnabas,,,i found out that Paul indeed was cheap in both speaking and writing…I remember a young man falling asleep and dying while he was teaching…He fell from window…Yet Mr Paul was unaware somebody was falling asleep due to boring speech..and later somehow he was raised to life…also reminds me of Old tastement Saul later tormented by incurable spirit with his quite parallel to NT Saul…offcourse People of that time were confused whether Saul was Prophet, like in NT testament there is still confusion whether Paul is among the apostles as he claims to be….i also doubt his claims towards call for gentiles as other Apostles too spent their life time spreading the gospels to gentiles all the way to India much farther than Greece or Syria reached by Paul…Paul’s claim of him for the gentiles and Peter for Jews again is a complete mess as Paul goes out of context,,Jesus had said to Peter and other 10 apostles to go and preach to whole creations, nations…Peter has preach to gentile Cornelious and baptised with Holy Spirit even before paul ever preached gospel to gentiles…and Yes Peter and other apostles had a possible church for gentile in Antioch even before Paul was somehow converted..i feel sorry for Paul’s misunderstanding and his claims…i am also baffled to read his disobedience to Prophets who spoke repeatedly in the inspiration of Holy Spirit to not make journey towards Israel in Acts 21 .but he wouldn’t listen as in the chapter Acts 20 he claims to be have inspiration of Spirit to go to Jerusalemn……he bore the consequence..i feel sorry for Paul…I believe the daughters of Philip and other one had the Spirit too in Acts 21….

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  3. VictorsCorner 16/09/2017 / 4:53 pm

    Hello Gadol, your comment on the post is appreciated. But I wouldn’t want us to mix up issues or misunderstand ourselves by bringing in too many extraneous things into this singular discourse.

    As you might have realised, the purpose of the post was not to demean Apostle Paul in any way. But it was meant to highlight the fact that he was humble enough to acknowledge that he was not a good speaker, despite his being vast in knowledge, which was pretty obvious in the N.T. records.

    Of course, I agree with you that what the Corinthian church observed about Paul not being so eloquent was correct. But then you introduced many other things about him that I’m sure many of my readers may not agree with you completely.

    Paul was ‘proud’ of his enormous achievements in life but at no point did he esteemed them above the cross of Christ which he was called to bear.

    Naturally speaking, Paul had every good reason to be proud of who he was before he encountered the Lord on his way to Damascus. But like you may have read about him, he laid everything aside to pursue his spiritual calling, vigorously.

    Recall his immortal words to the Philippians (in 3:8) concerning all his wonder achievements in life, “I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.” This doesn’t like some one unforgivably proud and pompous as you suggested.

    Also, that Paul was an Apostle to gentiles is a very known fact. So you would not have sufficient basis to disprove that!

    Even from the beginning of his calling, the Lord himself defined who Paul was being call to reach. Perhaps you will need to read Acts 4:9 again, which clearly says:

    “But the Lord said, “Go, for Saul is my chosen instrument to take my message to the Gentiles and to kings, as well as to the people of Israel.” (The referenced Saul is our Paul here).

    No one can doubt that Paul was sent to the gentiles after reading that passage, except of course the person doesn’t esteem the words of the Lord Himself.

    Time will fail me to begin to comment on each of the other issues you brought in. Suffice to say that Paul was a great Apostle any how you look at it. Thank you.

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  4. Nehemiah Project 17/09/2017 / 4:55 am

    No, oral eloquence was not Paul’s strength. It seems that being a long term guest in Felix’s house gave him plenty of time to write. Writing was his mode of communication. Of course, we benefit from some of his letters, to this day.

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    • VictorsCorner 17/09/2017 / 9:48 am

      Thanks for the validation. Like it was observed in the post, it seemed that his not-so-eloquent speeches were fully compensated by his writing skills. To which I would agree with you continues to be of great benefit to the modern day church. I would also agree that his time in custody afforded him the opportunity of writing his many epistles.

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  5. SLIMJIM 17/09/2017 / 7:58 am

    Very good case from your three line of reasoning; I’m convinced. As application it reminded me of how we are weak but He is strong, and it is His Word more than our personality that is being used to save and sanctify people. Thank you for this post.

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    • VictorsCorner 17/09/2017 / 9:51 am

      You are welcome and thank you for reading and commenting.
      I agree with you that just like in Apostle Paul’s case, the efficacy of the Gospel we preach is not a result of the eloquence of our speeches but by the power of God in us.

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  6. Arkenaten 17/09/2017 / 3:58 pm

    I always find it odd that, as Saul of Tarsus never met the character Jesus the Nazarene, has no apparent interest in him as a human being, and that many of his epistles are forgeries that any serious credence can be afforded this character for whom there is no non-biblical or independent evidence.

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    • VictorsCorner 17/09/2017 / 4:36 pm

      Saul of Tarsus, who became Apostle of whom we referred to in the post did not meet Jesus in the sense as other Apostles met Him and walked with Him. But Paul still met Jesus in the encounter on the way to Damascus. The story is recorded in the Bible in Acts 9:1-9. You may check it out if you care.

      Of course, after the encounter, Paul had serious interest in Jesus and against all odds, followed Him for the rest of his life.

      It is laughable to think that Paul’s Epistles are forgeries as you suggested. We the followers of Jesus Christ, know better. You too can get to know better than your claim here, if you are genuinely interested. Thank you.

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      • Arkenaten 17/09/2017 / 6:28 pm

        Acts is not considered reliable history and much of it is fallacious.
        I am sure you are aware of the current scholarly view in this regard.

        Every renowned biblical scholar in the world recognizes that many of Paul’s epistles are forgeries.
        I can offer you several links if you are in the least interested?
        However, may I ask on what grounds do you dispute some of the best scholars in the world?

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        • VictorsCorner 18/09/2017 / 6:24 am

          I don’t wish to engage in further argument with u on this.To be honest, we (those who are led by the Spirit of God) know better. Any claim of Paul’s Epistles being forgeries is malicious. If you don’t want to accept that, it is better we leave it that way. Okay?

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          • Arkenaten 18/09/2017 / 1:03 pm

            So you do not accept the view of top christian scholars such as NT Wright for example?

            Are you a Young Earth Creationist by any chance?

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            • VictorsCorner 18/09/2017 / 6:54 pm

              How could someone be a top christian scholar who doesn’t validate the claims of the Bible, like the Epistles written by Apostle Paul?
              Of course I do not doubt that God is the creator of the Earth.

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              • Arkenaten 18/09/2017 / 6:59 pm

                I truly am amazed that you are so blinkered regarding biblical scholarship.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_epistles#Authenticity

                And of course if you are going to turn your nose up to the Wiki link then I am sure we can match the list with numerous other sites in including Encyclopedia Britannica

                Seven letters (with consensus dates)[5] considered genuine by most scholars:
                First Thessalonians (c. 50 AD)
                Galatians (c. 53)
                First Corinthians (c. 53–54)
                Philippians (c. 55)
                Philemon (c. 55)
                Second Corinthians (c. 55–56)
                Romans (c. 57)
                The letters on which scholars are about evenly divided:[6]
                Colossians
                Second Thessalonians
                The letters thought to be pseudepigraphic by about 80% of scholars:[6]
                Ephesians
                First Timothy
                Second Timothy
                Titus

                Of course I do not doubt that God is the creator of the Earth.

                The question I asked was whether you are a Young Earth Creationist?
                Are you?

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                • VictorsCorner 18/09/2017 / 7:06 pm

                  You accusation of narrow mindedness doesn’t not apply. I think you are seriously missing the point.
                  Doesn’t it occur to you that if you could disagree with someone’s view point, someone else is also at liberty to disagree with yours if need be?

                  As per your question of being a young creationist, I believe my earlier answer is very clear enough.

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                  • Arkenaten 18/09/2017 / 7:13 pm

                    Disagreement is fine. Denying evidence-based scholarly consensus is simply silly.

                    Your answer to YEC seems vague.
                    All Christians believe Yahweh is responsible for creation.
                    Young Earth Creationists consider the earth to be no more than 10,000 years old.

                    So, are you a Young Earth Creationist?

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                    • VictorsCorner 18/09/2017 / 7:25 pm

                      I do not deny Biblical evidence. But I do not imagine that because some concocted ideas sound so scholarly then it qualifies as truth. God’s word is truth. Any knowledge that doesn’t draw from it or denies it cannot be trusted.

                      I wonder what you are driving at with your reoccurring YEC questions. It doesn’t change anything for me if we could at least agree that God is the creator of the Earth.

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                    • Arkenaten 18/09/2017 / 8:06 pm

                      It changes a lot, as it means you deny evolution for one thing.
                      Are you a Young Earth Creationist?
                      Why are you reluctant to answer such a simple straightforward question?

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                    • VictorsCorner 18/09/2017 / 8:20 pm

                      So you really think you know what would change or fail to change things I for me? Don’t be so preposterous!

                      If you must know, the theory of evolution is laughable to me and countless others. It lacks complete in empiricism, the hallmark of genuine science. But I can’t be drawn into such argument here now.

                      I have assured myself in the past that there was no use engaging in a back and forth online exchanges with faceless individuals. I feel that if you are sure and proud of your ideas, you would be comfortable showing your identity. But that is clearly not the case with you! And that’s not polite!

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                    • Arkenaten 18/09/2017 / 8:30 pm

                      So you really think you know what would change or fail to change things I for me? Don’t be so preposterous!

                      Not in the least.
                      You can believe whatever you like.
                      It won’t change the evidence.
                      So I am going to go out on a limb and say you ARE an YEC.

                      Would you care to explain how humans and dinosaurs co-existed?

                      I like the Arkenaten gravitar.
                      My name is plain as day on my blog.
                      Maybe you would enjoy my book?

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                    • VictorsCorner 18/09/2017 / 9:52 pm

                      Is that your real name? You know I have my doubts about that. But how about showing your real picture and not some sphinx like many of your kind do?

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                    • Arkenaten 18/09/2017 / 9:58 pm

                      What name do you have doubts about?

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                    • Arkenaten 18/09/2017 / 10:37 pm

                      My real name is printed on the cover f my book.
                      Did you not see it? Go look again.

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                    • VictorsCorner 18/09/2017 / 10:50 pm

                      I haven’t seen your book yet. Why are your real name and picture not on your blog? Like I mentioned, it’s not really cool chatting with faceless individuals on WordPress.

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                    • Arkenaten 18/09/2017 / 10:55 pm

                      Because I like the Avatar Arkenaten and I have used it for some time.
                      If you prefer to address me by my given name, feel free.

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                    • VictorsCorner 18/09/2017 / 11:14 pm

                      You haven’t said anything about using sphinx instead of your real picture

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                    • VictorsCorner 19/09/2017 / 7:04 am

                      Referring to your gravatar/WP display image.

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                    • Arkenaten 19/09/2017 / 11:28 am

                      It is not a Sphinx, but a bust of Ahkenaten

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          • John Arthur 27/09/2019 / 11:56 am

            So you don’t agree with the consensus of top biblical historical/critical scholarship. It’s not just liberal biblical scholars who accept the major findings of historical/critical scholarship but even some Evangelicals do this as well. NT Wright is a leading Evangelical.

            6 of the 13 letters attributed to Paul are forgeries. The 2 letters attributed to Peters are also forgeries, and the 3 letters of John. Why are you basing your life on a NT which is full of forgeries and an OT written by ancient, bloodthirsty and barbaric savages who created god in their own likeness?

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            • VictorsCorner 27/09/2019 / 6:25 pm

              I already know atheism is foolishness. But you keep expanding the boundaries by your comments of deceit here. A million of your kind don’t even have what it takes to discredit Paul’s letters. So stop trying.

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              • John Arthur 28/09/2019 / 1:21 am

                Most of the biblical scholars who believe in pseudonymity in the NT are Christians.

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                • VictorsCorner 29/09/2019 / 7:23 pm

                  Many people claim what they are not. Being called a christian is not an exception. But God cannot be decived: He knows those who are His.

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                  • John Arthur 30/09/2019 / 12:50 am

                    So is any person who claims to be a Christian but disagrees with you, not a true Christian? You keep changing the goal posts, Victor. Many of these professional scholars of the bible who hold to pseudonymity in the NT are Evangelical Christians who hold doctrine similar to you. So are you claiming that these are not true Christians?

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                    • VictorsCorner 30/09/2019 / 5:54 am

                      I’m not changing the goal posts. Blame your atheist mind for the lack of understanding you have continued to display here.

                      It is not for me to prove whether anyone is christian or not. That’s not so important. What is important is that anyone who denies the Bible to be the authentic word of God has not known God – whether or not he/she claims to be a christian or a Bible scholar.

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                  • John Arthur 30/09/2019 / 6:10 am

                    Many devoted Christians do not believe that the bible is the Word of God, as you understand it. You say that they are not genuine Christians, yet many of them believe that the bible is a fallible witness to divine revelation, which they believe is Jesus Christ.

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                    • VictorsCorner 30/09/2019 / 10:52 pm

                      Stop bothering about what other people believe and begin to bother about what you believe. You are going to be judged sepaprately iresspective of whatever the next person believes.

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                    • John Arthur 18/10/2019 / 11:17 am

                      Hi Victor,

                      You say “Stop bothering about what other people believe …”

                      Well you are the one who is saying that those who believe that some of the NT letters are pseudonymous are false Christians. What makes you such an expert? What makes you capable of judging when you ignore the mainstream biblical scholarship of the last 250 years for non- academic pre-critical views?

                      If you are going to be so loose with the bible, why should I believe what you say? Aren’t you misinterpreting the bible?

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                    • John Arthur 20/10/2019 / 4:03 am

                      You need to read Bart Ehrman “Forged” where he shows that many NT letters in the bible are forgeries and their authors were engaging in deception. You are basing your life on forged documants.

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                    • VictorsCorner 20/10/2019 / 1:01 pm

                      I base my life on the inspired word of God. And I believe that is what the New Testament is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is already a misguided person.

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                    • John Arthur 20/10/2019 / 12:08 pm

                      Why are you basing your life on forged documents? Wouldn’t you be better off following Jesus’ and Buddha’s method of breath meditation? Breathe in slowly and breath our slowly and you will become more peaceful and compassionate. Don’t worry about that barbaric book called the bible!

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                    • John Arthur 23/10/2019 / 4:46 am

                      Hi Victor,

                      You say that you “base your life on the inspired Word of God.” But if there are forgeries in the NT, how can there be an inspired Word of God. You haven’t refuted those biblical scholars who say that there are forgeries. Does this mean that we should take what you say as true? If the bible has forgeries, then your whole ‘world view’ falls over.

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                    • VictorsCorner 23/10/2019 / 5:27 am

                      There are no for forgeries in the Bible. Any one that claims others is mistaken.

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                    • John Arthur 23/10/2019 / 6:45 am

                      Hi Victor,

                      You say that there are no forgeries in the bible and anyone who thinks there are is seriously misguided.

                      Well, please show me where Bart Ehrman is seriously misguided on the forgeries issue.

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                    • VictorsCorner 25/10/2019 / 9:31 pm

                      Yes, you read me right: “anyone who thinks there are forgeries in the Bible is seriously misguided.” Such people are like the Pharisees, they know not the scriptures nor the power of God.

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                  • John Arthur 28/10/2019 / 10:35 am

                    God (if he exists) may not be deceived, but you are. There are now over 40,000 different denominations of Christianity in the world and you claim that only you, and those who agree with you, are the genuine Christians but offer no evidence for your claim. Please provide evidence that those godly Christian scholars who believe that there are pseudonymous writings in the NT are not real Christians.

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                    • VictorsCorner 30/10/2019 / 8:23 am

                      The argument here is not really about which of the church denominations are christians. What matters is having a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Anyone who doesn’t have that relationship will be lost in the end. And that’s why I/m talking to you here: give your life to Jesus Christ now. He only can save you. You cannot save yourself, neither can anyone else save you.

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        • VictorsCorner 18/09/2017 / 6:31 am

          Anyone or any body who considers Acts of the Apostles as unreliable and fallacious is seriously mistaken, irrespective of whatever titles such one bears. The evidences in Acts to confirm its veracity are just too compelling to dispute.

          Who are the so-called scholars? How can someone be a renown Bible scholar who doesn’t not believe in the Acts of the Apostles or God of the Bible? Sincerely, some claims don’t add up.
          You may provide the links if you wish.

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          • John Arthur 28/09/2019 / 4:32 am

            “The evidence in Acts is … too compelling to dispute.”

            Most of the biblical scholars who dispute the historicity of the events in Acts are Christian scholars. Are you charging them with insincerity? why do you believe that the book of Acts is historically reliable? Have you been “baptized in the Holy Spirit”? Do you speak in tongues? If you have a Pentecostal experience, is this the reason you claim that Acts is historical reliable?

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            • VictorsCorner 29/09/2019 / 7:29 pm

              Yes, I am baptised in the Holy Spirit and I do speak in tongues. But why do you care? You don’t even understand the import of your questions.

              Yes, the book of Acts is a record of historical events in the ministry of the early disciples. Anyone who denies that fact does not know God – whether you call them christians or Biblical scholars.

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              • John Arthur 30/09/2019 / 12:54 am

                Ah! Now I see why you believe in the reliability of the bible. You are either Pentecostal or Charismatic in your theology, ethics and biblical hermeneutics. But isn’t modern “speaking in tongues” people just speaking gobbledegook?

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                • VictorsCorner 30/09/2019 / 5:57 am

                  The consent of speaking in tongues is not something your atheist mind can understand. So don’t even go there. But if you would give your life to Jesus, you can come for more lesson.

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                  • John Arthur 30/09/2019 / 6:23 am

                    I used to “speak in tongues” and so was baptized in the Holy Spirit, according to Pentecostal and Charismatic dogma. But I came to realize that it was gobbledegook and has nothing to do with compassion, healing-mercy and loving-kindness.

                    Pentecostals and Charismatics preach that most of the world’s population is in hell or is going to hell when they die. This doctrine of religious terrorism makes Christians heard hearted an will rob them of any heart of compassion or tenderness that they might otherwise have for their fellow humans.

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                    • VictorsCorner 30/09/2019 / 10:58 pm

                      Being so carnally minded, you could never undertand the gift of speaking in tongues. Stop criticising what you don’t understand.

                      Don’t confuse religional pepole with true disciples of Christ. Any one who is a true follower of Christ is already imbued with the milk of divine kindness. Love is the trademark of disciples of Christ’

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                    • John Arthur 12/10/2019 / 11:11 pm

                      Hi Victor,

                      How does the idea of anyone burning in hell forever reflect “love of God’? It’s sheer brutality and psychological terrorism, is it not?

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                    • VictorsCorner 18/10/2019 / 5:42 am

                      It is a fair warning to give your life to Jesus now, before it becomes too late. It is not terrorism as you put.

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                    • John Arthur 18/10/2019 / 10:30 am

                      So you say that threats of burning in hell forever by Christians to non-Christians is not psychological terrorism but fair warning.

                      But you don’t even know that God exists nor do you know that the bible is the Word of God nor that Jesus is the only Saviour and that hell actually exists. You merely presuppose that God exists, that the bible is the Word of God and that non-Christians end up in hell when they die.

                      This evil doctrine of sin IS psychological terrorism. It’s based on your erroneous “turn of burn” theology. It’s what your Pentecostal churches have brainwashed you with. It results in the absurd idea that a compassionate and loving God (if he exists) could watch people burn in agony forever. What for? For finite sins committed by finite persons in finite time. It is utterly unjust and pictures God as a moral monster, far worse than Adolph Hitler.

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                    • VictorsCorner 18/10/2019 / 2:37 pm

                      If you feel terrorised that God exists, that Jesus Christ is the only Saviour there is, that He died for you to save you from sin and hell, that you cannot reject God and not face the consequences, that all those who have rejected God and have decided to follow satan will eventually be judged and sent to burn in hell fire, SO BE IT.

                      But here is my advice: repent and your sins will be forgiven; and you will escape the impending danger of hell fire.

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                    • John Arthur 19/10/2019 / 12:21 am

                      Hi Victor,

                      Whose so carnally minded? I was a Pentecostal for a while but the sexual immorality in the church by the church leaders, including the pastor, eventually came to light. These speakers in tongues, baptized in the holy spirit Christians, these so-called prophets were the ones who were carnally minded, not me. Pentecostalism is bogus and you know that it is,

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                    • VictorsCorner 20/10/2019 / 12:51 pm

                      I have no way of validating your claims about the people in the church you claimed you once attended. But you cannot make sweeping claim that all Pentecostals are like that.

                      Claiming to be a Pentecostal does not save anyone. As the Bible says, by their fruit we will know them.

                      You don’t have to be a Pentecostal, what you need is a relationship with God through your faith in Jesus Christ. Without that personal relationship with God, nothing else matters.

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                    • John Arthur 19/10/2019 / 12:50 am

                      Hi Victor,

                      I think that it is highly unlikely that God exists. But if he does exist the bible cannot be the Word of any god. And if he exists then there cannot be any eternal hellfire. I’m not terrorized by a non-existent hell, but the Catholic, Fundamentalist and Pentecostal churches who preach a “turn or burn” theology are the ones who are terrorizing their congregations.

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                    • VictorsCorner 20/10/2019 / 12:53 pm

                      You believe or disbelieve in God a your own peril. Bu don’t say you were no warned. And If you continue to reject the love of God, then I cannot help you.

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              • John Arthur 23/10/2019 / 4:30 am

                ” Yes, the book of Acts is a record of historical events in the ministry of the early disciples. Anyone who denies that fact does not know God.”

                Really? Well there are many neo-orthodox, liberal and even some evangelical Christians who do not take Acts as an accurate record of historical events in the early church. Most of these would claim to have a relationship with Jesus Christ, like you do. What makes you think that your claim is true and theirs is false?

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              • John Arthur 24/10/2019 / 11:51 pm

                If your belief in the historical evidence for Acts “is too compelling” for anyone to dispute, why don’t you offer links to this evidence. It seems more like you are relying on a subjective experience of a tongues (gibberish) experience as historical evidence. This so-called experience is baloney and isn’t historical evidence.

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                • VictorsCorner 25/10/2019 / 11:02 pm

                  Why have you continued to allow satan use you to discredit what is God’s? Repent and God will forgive all your sins.

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            • VictorsCorner 25/10/2019 / 11:04 pm

              I know who I am. Unfortunately you don’t.

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          • John Arthur 23/10/2019 / 4:39 am

            “The evidences in Acts to confirm its veracity are just too compelling to dispute.”

            Well, if you have these evidences why do you not present them? Please present them, otherwise people will be compelled to think that you don’t have them and are lying.

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            • VictorsCorner 23/10/2019 / 5:29 am

              No one can be convinced excepts he ask wants to. That’s your own case here.

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              • John Arthur 23/10/2019 / 10:11 am

                In other words, you have no evidence or you would have presented it.

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                • VictorsCorner 25/10/2019 / 9:33 pm

                  You don’t believe in God how can you believe the evidences we have? Laughable!

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                  • John Arthur 28/10/2019 / 10:45 am

                    But the veracity of historical evidence for the historical reliability of the book of Acts does not depend on whether one believes in God or not. The evidence for historical facts is independent of belief in God. So if you have historical evidences for the historical reliability of Acts, please provide them, or at least provide the computer links which provide them.

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  7. John Arthur 27/09/2019 / 12:15 pm

    Hi Victor,

    Does it really matter that Paul was not an eloquent speaker? Wasn’t he a psycho? He was breathing murder against Christians, then he suddenly changed based on some apparitions he thought were Jesus. Wasn’t this guy a lunatic? Wasn’t he a lunatic for some imaginary Jesus. Paul was largely responsible for creating the Jesus myth, wasn’t he? Why base your life on the teachings of a psycho?

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    • VictorsCorner 27/09/2019 / 6:15 pm

      No it didn’t matter that Paul was so eloquent because he was still very effective in ministry, even more than those who were better speakers than he was. Only in your imagination is he a lunatic.

      Your problem is that you don’t know God and His power. So I would not expect you to understand what happened to Paul.

      No one will encounter Jesus like Paul did and remain the same. Paul is definitely not a psycho like you alleged. He was a profound teacher of the word of God, without apologies.

      His transformation is an assurance that all hope is not lost for atheists like you. But the time you will encounter God, your story will change too. Then you will be the one preaching the same thing you have been criticising.

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      • John Arthur 28/09/2019 / 12:33 am

        But didn’t Paul create the mythical figure called Jesus out of his imaginary visions and revelations?

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        • VictorsCorner 29/09/2019 / 7:22 pm

          Jesus is neither a mythical figure nor was He a creation of Paul’s. So stop twisting things to suit your diabolic mind.

          For the records, Jesus is God-incarnate, the only Saviour of the world. And you need Him, whether you admit it or not.

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          • John Arthur 30/09/2019 / 1:04 am

            Well I understand why a baptized in the Holy Spirit Christian like yourself would say that Jesus is God-incarnate and why you believe that you are empowered by the Holy Spirit to perform miracles today just as Jesus was empowered by the Holy Spirit during his earthly life.

            I am a former Pentecostal and Charismatic Christian, but the elders and the pastor of one of these churches that I was attending were committing adultery. This shocked me greatly. I gave it all up as bogus. Immorality is common in Pentecostal circles. Many people are not healed and I saw some committed Christians who died of cancer, even though they were praying to be healed.

            Speaking in tongues just seemed to be made up and not genuine language. You’d be far better off engaging in breath meditation.

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      • John Arthur 13/10/2019 / 3:30 am

        But Paul is nuts! He’s a real psycho. This mentally unbalanced crazy is apparently one of your heroes. No wonder you Pentecostals roll around on the floor, and babble in gobbledegook. You are following your hero, you know, the one who created Jesus out of his own imaginings.

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        • VictorsCorner 18/10/2019 / 5:43 am

          Between you and Apostle Paul, I know who the psycho is here. And it’s not Paul.

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          • John Arthur 18/10/2019 / 6:52 am

            Is it you? I doubt that it is you, and it is certainly not me. But it does apply to Paul and to many of your Pentecostal masters who have brainwashed you. Pentecostalism attracts crackpots like bees around a honeypot.

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            • VictorsCorner 18/10/2019 / 2:41 pm

              If you say I have been brainwashed because I believe that God exists, because I believe that God will judge people like you who reject Him, SO BE IT! I wish you knew better!

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          • John Arthur 18/10/2019 / 10:37 am

            Wasn’t Paul that religious wacko that spoke in tongues more than all the rest. So this guy spent much of his life speaking gibberish and called it “praying in the pneuma (breath or spirit)”. This unhinged guy first thought he saw an imaginary vision of Jesus speaking to him on the road to Damascus. Later he was further unhinged when he started speaking gibberish to his imaginary god.

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            • John Arthur 18/10/2019 / 11:27 am

              If this wacko, Paul, had been praying in the Spirit by doing a breath meditation he wouldn’t have adopted the practice of speaking in gibberish nor would he have based his life on imaginary visions, nor of hearing voices speaking to him (this guy is completely delusional).

              If Paul had practised Jesus (and Buddha’s) method of breath meditation, then he wouldn’t be a tongues speaker. He would breath in peace and breath out compassion. Instead of following this Pentecostal lunatic, you need to get back to Jesus who never spoke in “tongues”.

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            • VictorsCorner 18/10/2019 / 2:39 pm

              I am glad Apostle makes so mad. It shows that his messages are actually getting to you. You can deny it, but at your own peril.

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              • John Arthur 19/10/2019 / 12:56 am

                The messages of this lunatic are not getting to me. Why should I follow Pauline lunacy? I’m not at peril, but you are.

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                • VictorsCorner 20/10/2019 / 12:55 pm

                  You know you are not being honest about what you just said. If the message of Paul doesn’t get to you, why do you go all the way to try o discredit him?

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                  • John Arthur 21/10/2019 / 4:01 am

                    “… why do you go all the way to discredit him?” Because Pentecostals and other Fundamentalists are deceived by him. Some are gabbling in tongues (i.e. gibberish) several hours a day. Others are rolling on the floor at Pentecostal services and engaging in other outlandish behaviour.

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                    • John Arthur 22/10/2019 / 12:49 am

                      Hi Victor,

                      What ignorance?

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                    • John Arthur 26/10/2019 / 11:16 am

                      Hi Victor,

                      “You don’t know God.”

                      Well, I know the presence because I breath in and out slowly. This presence is so tender, kind, compassionate and peaceful, but it is clear that you don’t know this presence ( some call it “God”).

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                    • VictorsCorner 29/10/2019 / 3:39 pm

                      God has a presence. But he is more than a presence. He is the Creator and Father to me.

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  8. John Arthur 17/10/2019 / 10:52 am

    Hi Victor,

    You need to receive the holy breath that Buddha and Jesus taught. “Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so send I you.’ When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, ‘Receive the holy breath.’ ” (John 20: 21-22).

    Jesus taught the same method of breath meditation to his disciples that Buddha taught to his over 500 years before Jesus. This is how they received peace: by breathing in and breathing out. The words “he breathed on them” could be interpreted “he breathed in them”. So why don’t you follow Jesus’ method of breath meditation? Both Jesus and Buddha taught a loving-kindness meditation which you cold practice every day and so be set free from the Pentecostal brainwashing that your Pentecostal masters have bound you with.

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    • VictorsCorner 17/10/2019 / 10:47 pm

      You are the one that has been deceived, with all this doctrine of holy braeth you are preaching.

      I will give one advice: Stop distorting the Bible. Jesus never promised ‘holy breath’. He promised the Holy Spirit., to His early disciples and to us who believe Him.

      That same Holy Spirit, you cannot receive Him because you are in darkness and does not know God or His power. No matter what you say, I can see through your deception and I cannot buy into it.

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      • John Arthur 18/10/2019 / 12:57 am

        The Greek word pneuma means breath. You need to read your bible more carefully instead of through your brainwashed prism of Pentecostalism. You mean well, but you are deceived.

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        • VictorsCorner 18/10/2019 / 2:45 pm

          The one who has been deceived is the one that believes that God doesn’t exist, that hell fire does not exist, that there are not eternal consequences for sin. Between you and I, we know who fits into that description.

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          • John Arthur 20/10/2019 / 3:19 am

            You have not been born from above because you have not ben born of the breath (pneuma), yet. There is still time to practise Jesus’ and Buddha’s method of breath meditation and practice loving-kindness.

            Love casts out fear, so why are your Pentecostal mates peaching this Satanic hell-fire doctrine of eternal torture to their congregations? They are deluded and seek to have absolute control over their churches. Wow and betide anyone who differs from their Pentecostal pastor on his ruthless ideas!

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            • VictorsCorner 20/10/2019 / 12:59 pm

              God loves you and want o save your soul. But I’m afraid if you continue on his part of rejection of God, you will end up in the same hell that you dread so much. This is a fair warning, not terrorism as you put it earlier.

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              • John Arthur 21/10/2019 / 4:07 am

                So if your Pentecostal cultists are the milk of human kindness, why do many of them seem to relish the idea of atheists and other “unbelievers” being roasted in hell forever? What kind of “milk of human kindness” is it to believe that people are going to be tortured forever?

                Why would any compassionate person think that torturing people forever is something worthy to be praised?

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                • VictorsCorner 21/10/2019 / 6:57 am

                  No believer in God is happy that you are going to hell. They are just so concenred about you that they can’t but warn you about it. So you won’t say “nobody told me.”

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                  • John Arthur 22/10/2019 / 12:18 am

                    But what if the Koran is the Word of God? Won’t you be joining me in hell, because you selected the wrong God? What makes you think that the bible is the Word of God and the Koran isn’t? What if neither of them is the Word of God? If God doesn’t exist, then there cannot be any hell. Weren’t both holy books written by barbaric savages? So why should we pay any attention to them?

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                    • VictorsCorner 25/10/2019 / 11:06 pm

                      The Bible is he inspired word of God. No other can compare.

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                    • John Arthur 26/10/2019 / 11:22 am

                      But what evidence do you have that the bible is the inspired word of God that can compare with no other?. Isn’t it just as barbaric (some would say, even more barbaric) than the Koran.

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                    • VictorsCorner 30/10/2019 / 8:16 am

                      I’m not here to compare the Bible with any other book. It is either you accept the Bible as the inspired word of God or you don’t. Yoiu can move on, okay?

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            • John Arthur 28/10/2019 / 11:00 am

              I’m breathing in Jesus, each step of the way
              I following Jesus with his breath, not mine
              Don’t think of tomorrow just breathe for today
              I’m breathing in Jesus each step of the way.

              The way may seem narrow, that I’m travelling one
              I breathe in his shadow, as I follow on
              My breath grows stronger, each passing day
              I’m breathing in Jesus, each step of the way.

              You can too, Victor. Breathe in peace and breathe out kindness. Buddha and Jesus can help you.

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              • VictorsCorner 30/10/2019 / 8:50 am

                That’s where you have missed it. Jesus didn’t say we should breath Him in, but he said we should believe in Him. Hear Him, “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.” John 14:1

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          • John Arthur 22/10/2019 / 12:59 am

            Fundamentalists are the deceived ones and this includes Pentecostals. Your “brother” Paul spoke in gibberish and had visions (or so he claimed) and wrote (7 letters) of nonsense to certain Christian congregations in the early Christian church (the other 6 letters were forgeries). You speak in gibberish and take Paul’s nonsense to be some word of a god. It’s clear that you are deceived by following this crackpot.

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            • VictorsCorner 26/10/2019 / 7:47 am

              Ten million of your kind are no even enough tto discredit Apostle Paul and his ministry. You can come to God when you are done being in satan’s camp. Funny enough, he will still accept you.

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              • John Arthur 28/10/2019 / 12:16 pm

                Hi Victor,

                “Satan” (if he exists) knows nothing about Jesus’ method of breath meditation. If he did, he would be made whole (saved) through breathing in peace and breathing out compassion and kindness. He would love others, no matter who they are. But the diabolical do not know peace and compassion and badly need it.

                God, if he exists, is compassion and kindness and you could practice this too if you, too, breathed in peace slowly and breathed out kindness in the stillness through Jesus’ method of breath meditation.

                Have a wonderful day, and may the presence of peace and compassion overflow your life, inspiring and lifting others up.

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                • VictorsCorner 30/10/2019 / 8:52 am

                  Satan exists but he can never be saved again. But you can. That’s why I am offering you Jesus as the only Way to God.

                  Yes God exists and He is a God of love. He loves you and wants to save you. Would you let Him?

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            • John Arthur 26/10/2019 / 11:32 am

              Since Satan doesn’t exist, so how can I be in Satan’s camp? Satan is a symbol of evil, but I’m not evil. I breathe in peace and breathe out kindness and you could too, if you so choose to. Then you will know the presence, one so tender and kind, so forgiving and so uplifting and inspiring. Peace be too, you. I forgive your ignorance.

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              • VictorsCorner 30/10/2019 / 8:17 am

                Anyone who believe that satan does not exist has believed a lie. Satan is the inspirer of all the evil in the world as we know it.

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