When You Find Yourself Answering Questions on an Atheist’s Blog

Victor Uyanwanne

Recently, I commented on a post appearing on the blog The Closet Atheist. Following that comment, I found myself also responding to other comments clearly directed at me by some readers of that blog whom I perceived to be atheists.

Amongst other issues raised, the author while relating his experience in a so-called secular university in defence of the purported claims of an unnamed professor from an unidentified Christian college, ostensibly suggested that Christians think that atheists must be savages – brutal and vicious, lacking in morality – because they have rejected the notion of God…

My initial response to that post and part of the conversations that later ensued between other readers and I form the bulk of the texts presented in this post:

My initial response…

The point of being a Christian is not on the basis of simple morality… It is about having a relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ. One is not a Christian if that understanding is not there, including the so-called Christians cited in your statistics.

Even if someone rejects the notion that God exists, that doesn’t automatically make such one a ruthless savage, contrary to the picture painted in the post. That much is clear to me and to most other true believers in God.

Besides, there are already enough laws in the civilised world to hold people accountable for their behaviours.

What should bother one is the eternal consequence of a disposition that rejects God. And it would be laughable to suggest that the Creator will have no way of holding His creatures accountable.

Let me add that the whole notion of God is grossly misunderstood and misrepresented: Misunderstood by those who don’t believe in His existence and sometimes misrepresented by those who do.

God loves everybody

For the records, God loves everyone -whether they believe in Him or not. And contrary to the picture you painted, He loves gay people too – although the gay lifestyle is what He doesn’t approve of – according to Biblical guidelines which clearly show that heterogeneous relationship is God’s perfect plan for mankind.

God gave us a special gift called freewill. Unfortunately some of us are using it against Him. But we can never outsmart Him. In any case, we make our choices and our choices make us.

The aftermath…

God’s love and hellfire?

One of the readers took the reference to God’s love out of context by bringing in the issue of hellfire, saying:

“So, he (God) loves us so much he invented Hell to reinforce that fact? Sheol wasn’t good enough, so he had to up the ante? Misunderstanding is not the sole province of unbelievers. Believers seem to believe what they want to believe and disregard the rest.”

Well, I was obliged to respond to that as well:

God loves us so much He has made a way for us to have an eternal relationship with Him through His Son Jesus Christ. Hell wasn’t originally meant for human beings. It was meant for the devil and his demons. Unfortunately, anyone who rejects God has sided with the devil. As a result, such people will end up where the devil himself will end up.

Believers in God don’t believe what they want to believe as you suggested. What they believe about God is what God’s book, the Bible, says about Him. It is another thing if one doesn’t accept the authority of the Bible.

Talking about Freewill

The reference to freewill in my initial comment appeared to have been misunderstood by some of the readers of that blog who commented.

One of them questioned, “…People rape, murder, abuse, rob and torture because YHWH has given them free will? So, his sovereignty allows their heinous crimes to happen?…”

“…Yes God is responsible for giving humans the freewill,” I replied, “but He is not responsible for what we do with it…

We would be mere robots if God took away our freewill. That’s why it is important He left it with us. He gave us the CHOICE…”

Along the same line, another reader scoffed the idea that we have freewill saying, “Some guy is raping a woman and he says, “But officer, free will!”. Would that fly in court? lol.”

To that I responded:

That was never implied in my comment. But I did say that everyone would be held accountable for whatever he or she did with their freewill.

Of course, freewill as an excuse to commit rape (or any other  crime at that) will not fly in court. The rapist will be judged according to the law.

In the same way, God will eventually judge everyone who rejects Him based on their freewill.

The moral compass inside every man

Speaking further, another reader opined, “The moral argument for God’s existence just shows an ignorance of the field of ethics in general. There are many accounts of morality without God, but apologists won’t even address them. Most of the time they pretend that they don’t exist.”

To that claim, I simply pointed out that:

God is the original Source of morality. Inside every man is a moral compass called the conscience. And whether we agree or not, it was God who put it there.

Feel free to lend your voice to the discourse.

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20 thoughts on “When You Find Yourself Answering Questions on an Atheist’s Blog

  1. Judy December 12, 2017 / 3:15 pm

    If you had taken the time or effort to read back into the Closet Atheist’s posts, you would find that the professor is very real, as is the college she attends, and the claims that he makes.

    If no colleges or professors are named, it is, as this woman has stated, an effort to preserve her personal privacy at a very difficult crossroads in her own life. I suggest strongly that you read this blog from her POV and not cherry pick one post to judge by.

    She has explained it very clearly, and you have no business judging anything on the basis of one post, in order to throw sand in everyone’s faces.

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    • VictorsCorner December 13, 2017 / 1:41 am

      Judy, I was not judging her, neither was I misleading anyone. I believe you got it all misconstrued with your unfounded allegation of throwing sand on readers faces. So come off it!

      I believe also I understood the blog owner’s point of view based on our previous interactions on the site. (By the way you forgot that the blog I reviewed hereby was a guess post). You might want to be aware that this was neither my first time of reading nor my first time of commenting on that blog. So I hope you see that your impression about ‘cherrypicking with this one is without merit?

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  2. keithnoback December 13, 2017 / 1:57 am

    Hi Victor,

    A few questions: What do you mean when you say that God loves us? I mean, to love something is to have an attitude toward that thing, which requires intentionality. Intentionality seems to be a thoroughly temporal thing (it identifies, occurs, has an aspect, etc.). Does that not make God temporal?

    When you say freewill, do you mean that we can choose what we want to do in a given situation? If that is the case, then our choices are not undetermined, they are simply determined by things which are intrinsic to our persons – our wants.

    Finally, if you are a moral intuitionist, how do you account for moral disagreement?
    I am always curious to hear what people think about these issues, if you are willing to take the time to respond.

    If not, safe travels.

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    • VictorsCorner December 13, 2017 / 6:14 am

      Of course I am willing to respond to your questions and I will do so to the best of my knowledge.

      When I say God loves us, I mean that He is favourably disposed towards us; that even though we deserve eternal judgment because we have fallen short of His glory, He chose to show us mercy. That while we were yet sinners, He sent Jesus His Son Jesus to die in our place, thereby providing an avenue for us to escape eternal damnation.

      Was there intentionality (in your words) on the part of God by so doing? Yes there was. But that doesn’t make Him temporal as you suggested, because God is not temporal. He is an eternal Being.

      The kind of love God has for us is called the unconditional love. Irrespective of our performances, He still loves us anyway!

      Of course freewill means that we have the ability to choose between two possible courses of action – out of our own volition without force. What that reveals is that we are responsible for our actions as much as we are for the consequences. Because of freewill, for instance, we can chose to acknowledge God in our lives or not to acknowledge Him. Either way, the choice is ours, and I dare say, the consequence as well!

      I would not describe myself as a moral intuitionist per say. But I would agree that just like everyone else one, God created me with a conscience to have a moral sense of right or wrong. But beyond that now, I have the Holy Spirit of God that “guides me into all truth.”

      I have to add that moral intuitiveness is not sufficient to bring salvation to the soul of any man. That’s where a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is required.

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  3. David K December 13, 2017 / 4:35 pm

    “In the same way, God will eventually judge everyone who rejects Him based on their freewill.”.
    As we know, this is based on the Christian belief. Why would the Christian God judge the follower of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and every other religion, their “god” will be their ultimate judge! Oh, you only believe in one God? the Christian God? What if you are wrong and the true god is actually the god of Judaism? …and (for the sake of argument) he’s pretty pissed that you believe in Jesus. 🙂
    The atheist kinds of sits back, finds the irony that the faithful of multiple religions tell us “no, only ours is the true religion” as they tell the atheists, they are wrong. I’ll let the religious debate whose religion is the true one 😉

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    • VictorsCorner December 13, 2017 / 8:43 pm

      The God I follow is the Creator of Heaven and Earth. By that quality alone, He possesses what it takes to judge every human being on earth, who refuses to acknowledge Him, irrespective of religious affiliation.

      For the avoidance of God, my God who is the father of Jesus Christ identifies Himself as the only true God; every other so-called gods are false.

      Jesus also identifies Himself as the only Way to the God. So any one who tries to approach the true God by any other means apart from through Jesus Christ has missed it. Unfortunately, this is where Judaism which you refered to is handicapped – failure to acknowledge Jesus Christ as the Saviour.

      As for the other religions which you cited, leave them to speak for themselves. Suffice to ask you this question: how possible could it be that a religion which recognises over 3 million gods for instance could be be following the true God?

      “The Bible says that the one true God is the sovereign, self-existent Creator of the universe (Isaiah 42:5; Ephesians 1:11). He is spirit (John 4:24), He is eternal (Psalm 90:2), and He is personal (Deuteronomy 34:10). The one true God possesses all knowledge (Isaiah 46:10) and all power (Matthew 19:26), is present in all places (Psalm 139:7–10), and is unchanging (James 1:17). There are many false gods—Hinduism alone supposedly recognizes as many as 330 million gods—but none of them possess the attributes of the one true God.”

      If you have the time, please see the link: https://www.gotquestions.org/one-true-God.html

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  4. David K December 13, 2017 / 11:00 pm

    Thank you for your response, I’d like to re-iterate the point I made in my response, it also fits the narrative of your response to me:
    “…As we know, this is based on the Christian belief.”

    You are aware the the God of Christianity, is the God of Judaism, is the God of Islam. You’re old Testaments is from the Hebrew Bible. Jesus was after all, for lack of a better word, a “Rabbi”. The only religion that recognizes the divinity of Jesus is Christianity. In fact, there was even some disagreement about Jesus being divine (or defined as a Triune) within the early Christian religion.

    No one knows for certainty if there is one god, many gods or no gods at all. I’m sure you would like to believe there is only one god because that’s what your religion tells you but other than belief, you have no way to actually prove it.

    Instead of using the Atheism tag to tell me only your religion is the true religion, why not use the Islam, Judaism..etc tags and debate it with people of other religions. Let me know, I would like to follow along. Like I said “The atheist kinds of sits back, finds the irony that the faithful of multiple religions tell us “no, only ours is the true religion” and the atheist is wrong”. Go ahead!

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    • VictorsCorner December 13, 2017 / 11:26 pm

      You are welcome David. I got your point the first time. Only that our perspectives are obviously different. I perceive that we may be going back and forth on this if care is not taken…

      However, I need point out that Jesus is more than a Rabbi. He is a Saviour, and son of God. Anyone who denies the deity of Jesus has denied the true God Himself. You may not completely understand this, so we will just let it be.

      I do not reckon with any other god…I only believe in the true God, as revealed in the Bible scriptures. I can’t force Him on you, but I would wish that you would experience Him yourself to know the difference.

      As I stated before, leave the socalled other religions to speak for themselves. There is no basis for comparison…

      And by the way, I do not speak of Christianity as a religion. I understand it as a relationship with God through His son Jesus Christ.

      I would really like to understand you better. Do you indeed believe there is no God at all, or you are not just sure which is the true God?

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      • David K December 15, 2017 / 6:14 pm

        I completely understand the Christian view that “anyone who denies the deity of Jesus has denied the true God himself” but in the grand scheme of things, there are many people who believe in the god of Abraham who do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, so in that respect, I can’t agree that they have denied the true God.

        It all comes down to the feeling or belief “My God is the True god and every other religion is false”, I don’t buy into that. Where there are believers like you who believe this in every fiber of their being.. while others… take a different approach and believe there are many ways to God. God has never said anything about followers of Judaism being “false”, that only seems to come from people who… with every fiber of their being… believe that.

        I have to make this short but can find time to reply later but… Do I believe there is no god at all? I have never found convincing reason to believe in one but as every atheist might say, if a god came from the heavens and addressed the world today, obviously that would be satisfactory evidence. To answer your second question.. There have been many narratives about God since the beginning of man. These narratives are created by man, inspired by the god(s) they believe in. Maybe we do not really have a grasp at the true narrative.

        Dave

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        • VictorsCorner December 15, 2017 / 7:22 pm

          Dave, I would say I understand where you are coming from. But as passionate as you are about it, it doesn’t preclude the truth in what I have been sharing with you.

          It is not a enough to believe in the God of Abraham, as you pointed out. One should believe in Jesus Christ as well; To have eternal life, one – whether Jewish or not – must not only believe in God, but one must do so through Jesus Christ. No one can claim that He knows God without Jesus Christ. “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent” John 17:3.

          Judaism was once relevant. But once Jesus showed up, the equation changed. This is what the present followers of Judaism are yet to understand or acknowledge.

          The ‘narratives’ the Christians hold about God are not figments of man’s imagination, as you suggested. They are what God Himself revealed to mankind as documented in the Bible.

          God revealed Himself well enough in the Bible. And that’s the basis of my narrative. Any other narrative that doesn’t follow along this line cannot be the Truth. And anyone that claims the he or she knows God but denies Christ,is lying. “There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved” Acts 4:12

          There are already enough evidence on earth, in us and around us, to show that God exists. He is already God, without needing validation!

          God doesn’t need to show up from Heaven as people like you would wish Him to do in order to prove that He is God. Besides, He once showed up on earth in the person of Jesus and was thoroughly rejected by the world. “But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God” John 1:12.

          David, I cannot emphasise it enough: Jesus is the only way to God. Anyone who doesn’t follow Him is treading on the wrong path, so he or she will end up in the wrong destination. “Jesus said to him, “I am the only Way to God and the truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father [God] but through Me” John 14:6. Upon this I stand.

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  5. Nehemiah Project December 14, 2017 / 5:48 am

    I have found it is an uphill battle trying to prove God to an Atheist. God has ways of revealing Himself.
    It is not worth proving the value of being saved or being a Christian to someone who does not believe there is any god or is unsure of any real deity (agnostic). We simply present Jesus and allow Him to prove Himself.
    Atheists and Agnostics are often intelligent and deep thinking folks. It is not worth engaging in argument, debate or trying to prove God to them. It takes the Lord Himself to reveal Himself to any person, as He sees fit, when He sees fit. His grace is sufficient for this.
    Let His love be at the core of all we say and do.

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    • VictorsCorner December 14, 2017 / 5:56 am

      Thanks for the contribution. I agree with you… I have experienced some difficulties too in ‘proving’ that God exists to atheists. Sometimes, I am like “why can’t they just get it?”

      Well, I understand I can’t force it…. But like you said, let’s present Jesus to them and leave God to do the ‘proving.’ That way, we wouldn’t have to be so frustrated with their attitudes.

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  6. Freedomborn ... Aussie Christian Focus December 14, 2017 / 3:34 pm

    I’m so grateful Victor that as an Atheist my future Pastor did not give up on me, he went right on sharing God’s Truth until I could not doubt His Reality.

    God tells us to plant good seeds, He will send someone to water and than He will Reap, some Atheists have had near death bed conversions through the good seeds that have been planted in their lives, even when they claimed God was not real.

    I remember as an Atheist thinking my friends were a bit dippy for believing in a Santa in the Sky but I was the one who ended up with egg on my face, Thankfully I was proven wrong but not before telling others they were wrong, Yep that’s what is happening on your Blog Victor but God works everything for good in our lives so don’t give up, yes we many be abused or laughed at but God knows those who are His and not one will be lost.

    Christian Love Always Victor,
    Anne ( Grannie Annie )

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    • VictorsCorner December 14, 2017 / 8:06 pm

      Thank you for those encouraging words. I will continue to try my best with the hope that some if not all atheists will be snatched from the jaws of hell.

      Thanks to your pastor’s persistence, your own experience shows that all hope is not lost with atheists…. They too can be saved.

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  7. nightshade130 December 16, 2017 / 3:09 pm

    Victor, I enjoyed following the thread of comments on this post. You are well versed in arguing your points using the Word my friend. I was genuinely intrigued. God Bless – Sherline.

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    • VictorsCorner December 16, 2017 / 4:57 pm

      Sherline, thank you so much for the warm comment. I am greatly encouraged by your words. Remain blessed.

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  8. God's Warrior December 28, 2017 / 9:37 pm

    This is a great post, Victor. I like that you didn’t go head-to-head with the atheists, but calmly talked about your opinion and belief in God.

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    • VictorsCorner December 29, 2017 / 2:41 am

      Thank you so much. I am glad you found the post great.

      I have found that it is important to remain focused while conversing with atheists, because they have this knack for bringing in rabbit trails. Some of them usually get worked up too, so I try to remain calm in explaining my points, as you rightly noticed.

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      • God's Warrior December 29, 2017 / 2:47 am

        Thanks so much Victor for the clarification. Although I have never faced against atheists on my blog, I have conversed with atheists on SpaniardVIII’s blog.

        It’s amazing to see how far Atheism has come to keeping people bound in “chains”.

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        • VictorsCorner December 29, 2017 / 3:01 am

          You are welcome.
          My online interactions with atheists began once I published my first post bothering on atheism. You can be sure that you would have many of them visit your blog should you put out anything along that line too.

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