On Truth And What You Believe

Belief and morality

One of the eternal words that Jesus ever uttered includes this one: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32).

Knowing the truth is the way to true freedom. “You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”

But first, here is the question:

What is the truth?

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” John 14:6.

There goes another audacious claim of Jesus’:

  • He is the Way;
  • He is the Truth;
  • He is the Life.

With all these assertions, was Jesus just posturing or He is who He claims to be? I choose to believe the latter.

Therefore:

  • As Jesus is the Way, if you are following anyone other than Jesus alone, you are on the wrong path;
  • As Jesus is the Truth, if you have not believed Jesus as the full revelation of God’s truth to mankind, you have believed wrongly;
  • As Jesus is the Life, you will not have eternal life except you receive the life that only Jesus offers.

I know these are the kinds of statements that make some people mad. But Jesus did not offer any apologies when He made those audacious claims, neither would I.

a) Jesus is the Truth

First and foremost, truth is a person; Jesus is the Truth and He is unchanging…

So He can be trusted. You accept the truth to your eternal benefits and you reject it to your eternal peril.

There can be no meaningful “commitment to the authority of God” without a firm personal acceptance of Jesus Christ as the Truth.

b) The word of God is truth.

Jesus is the Word and the Word is truth, absolute truth. So the question of relative truth doesn’t apply…

All contemplations of truth must be hinged on God (through Jesus) and on His Word. You rise or fall to the truth you receive or reject.

That brings us to the question of morality.

The Standard for our morality

The word of God is truth. Therefore, more than anything else, the word of God must be the standard for our lives and the basis of our morality.

More than anything else, our morality should be based on what God thinks. Everything else is sinking sand…

But the choice is ours whether to base our morality on God’s thinking or not.

Our world today gives us three options for how to discover truth: We can choose to base our morality on what we think, on what other people think, or on what God thinks. We really have no other options. Our choice will dictate how we live, how we love, and, someday, how we die. But it’s our choice. What will you choose? – Rick Warren, in the devotional article, “You can know the truth by looking at God.”

The best foundation for our morality should be on God’s truth. Atheists may think otherwise, but I reckon that any question on morality cannot but have God in the picture.

Without God, the source of truth, there can be no a proper sense of right or wrong.

Any philosophy of life not backed by the word of God, irrespective of whoever might have propounded it, cannot be the truth.

The absolute truth as we should know it is the word of God only; whether in part or as a whole, the word of God is truth. I didn’t say so, Jesus did.

Jesus once prayed for His disciples, “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth” (John 17:17, emphasis mine).

Yes, the word of God is truth!

But there is a tragedy

Instead of choosing to knowing and living by the truth of God’s word, many people today have chosen to embrace some philosophies that are now destroying the moral fabric of the society.

Many people now believe what they want to believe. And feel they can live their lives how they want it, with or little considerations for the issues of morality.

Writing along that line in a recent devotional article, author of the best-seller The Purpose Driven Life, Rick Warren, reminds us that What You Believe Shapes Your Life.

As he puts it, “What you believe determines your behavior. Your behavior then determines what you become, and that has a direct effect on the direction of your life.”

So you see why the behaviour of the world is going haywire? They have rejected the truth, living a lie and heading in godless directions.

If you think godless thoughts, you will believe godless things and make godless choices!

Knowing Jesus and accepting God’s word as the truth will help shapen correctly what you believe and how you live.


©Copyright 2018 | Victor Uyanwanne

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80 thoughts on “On Truth And What You Believe

  1. Lander7 12/07/2018 / 6:04 am

    You stated — “Instead of choosing to knowing and living by the truth of God’s word, many people today have chosen to embrace some philosophies that are now destroying the moral fabric of the society.”
    My question — What is the moral fabric of the society?

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    • VictorsCorner 12/07/2018 / 8:29 am

      Thank you for stopping by, and for reading and commenting.

      I would like to think of “the moral fabric of the society” as the basic standards of morality that hold a society together in dignity.

      To me, morality – our sense of right and wrong – should be based on the word of God. I don’t know how much you would agree with that. But I believe that as God created all of us, He also gave us conscience and His word to guide us in our moral choices.

      The neglect of the above, will lead to individuals making choices that weaken the moral standard of the society.

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      • Lander7 12/07/2018 / 2:09 pm

        You stated — “I would like to think of “the moral fabric of the society” as the basic standards of morality that hold a society together in dignity.”

        My response — What are the basic standards of morality that hold our society together right now?

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        • VictorsCorner 12/07/2018 / 4:19 pm

          It embodies all the principles of life that can be summarised as treating others the way you want to be treated.

          My best understanding of it is as Jesus put it when he said, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.'” Luke 10:27

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        • Lander7 13/07/2018 / 1:16 am

          You stated –“…people today have chosen to embrace some philosophies that are now destroying the moral fabric of the society”

          Which you said are, “the basic standards of morality that hold a society together in dignity.”

          Which you defined as, “all the principles of life that can be summarised as treating others the way you want to be treated”

          So you are saying that people are embracing the philosophy of “Not treating others the way they would want to be treated”.

          My response — I agree.

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        • VictorsCorner 13/07/2018 / 6:31 am

          Good to know that you agree with me that much. But I feel the need to reecho a point I made earlier: morality, our sense of right and wrong, should be based on the truth of God’s word, not on feeble human philosophies.

          Thank you for your time here.

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        • VictorsCorner 14/07/2018 / 6:58 am

          How do you mean “Bible interpretation?”

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        • Lander7 14/07/2018 / 6:38 pm

          You asked – “How do you mean “Bible interpretation?”

          My response – I mean do you take the Bible literally or do you take it as a set of stories that have hidden meanings that help you come to an understanding?

          The Bible does not mention anything about itself being a book of morality. That would be nonsensical and could in no way line up with moral values. The Bible is a book of commands and truths that transcend morality and require faith.

          Example: Morally it is wrong to kill babies.

          Keep in mind your earlier definition of morality from a secular view, which you defined as, “all the principles of life that can be summarized as treating others the way you want to be treated”. You said that society created this standard of which, is, it’s moral fabric.

          You also compared societies moral fabric to Gods command, ““Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” Luke 10:27”

          Do you think killing babies is morally right?

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        • VictorsCorner 14/07/2018 / 10:22 pm

          I am not exactly sure what you are driving at. But I will respond to you as follows:

          1. The Bible is a compilation of 66 books, each serving its own purpose. Yes, you can take some of the books in it literally, while you may not for some others.

          2. Yes, the Bible is not a book of morality; it is a book of truth, God’s truth. But there is no doubt that moral laws have been drawn from it all around the world.

          3. Killing of anyone, not just babies, could not be morally right. If we all live by the principles of love that is well entrenched in the Bible, there would be no killing of anyone.

          At this juncture let me ask you, do you believe in the Bible as God’s word?

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        • Lander7 15/07/2018 / 2:16 am

          You asked — “At this juncture let me ask you, do you believe in the Bible as God’s word?”

          My answer — Yes.

          You stated — “Killing of anyone, not just babies, could not be morally right.”

          You stated — “I am not exactly sure what you are driving at. ”

          My response — Morality is not the goal of Christians, obedience to God is. This is a simple truth.

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        • VictorsCorner 15/07/2018 / 9:16 pm

          Thanks for the explanation. I am glad you accept the Bible as the word of God. So I would say we are on the same boat at that.

          I do not promote morality above obedience to God. What matters for me is for people to come to know the truth of God’s word and accept Jesus as their Lord and personal Saviour. Without that, even a moral life, will profit nothing.

          “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” John 17:3.

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        • Lander7 16/07/2018 / 2:11 am

          So you would agree that human life is less valuable than faith?

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        • VictorsCorner 16/07/2018 / 5:31 am

          What is the basis for comparing human life to faith? Jesus died for us, to save human life – not for faith.

          Obviously, human life is more valuable. Faith is just a tool for humans to approach God and appropriate the things He has done for mankind through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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        • Lander7 16/07/2018 / 2:26 pm

          You stated — “morality, our sense of right and wrong, should be based on the truth of God’s word, not on feeble human philosophies.”

          You stated — “What is the basis for comparing human life to faith?”, “Obviously, human life is more valuable”

          My response — From a Bible perspective faith is more valuable than human life. So your response indicates that your position is secular in nature (Not of God’s Word). The morality you speak of is not the same as faith and the consequences of opposing God.

          Hosea 13:16
          Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

          Jeremiah 19:9
          And I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his neighbor in the siege and in the distress, with which their enemies and those who seek their life afflict them.’

          1 Samuel 15:3
          3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

          Leviticus 20:10
          “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

          Leviticus 20:13
          If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

          You stated — “3. Killing of anyone, not just babies, could not be morally right. If we all live by the principles of love that is well entrenched in the Bible, there would be no killing of anyone.”

          My statement — Society is not prepared to be faithful since it does not allow harsh actions because of it’s morality. The morality you have been speaking of is a secular morality.

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        • VictorsCorner 17/07/2018 / 7:00 pm

          I would really wish you would understand my perspective here (you don’t have to agree with it anyway!). But going by your assertions, it appears you have your own agenda (no offence intended), because it appears you are ignoring my point.

          Let me say it is inconceivable for me to think that faith is more important than humans as you posited. I never said that, and I could never say such because I know better than that.

          For the avoidance of doubt, I will refer you to my earlier response to your prior comment: “Jesus died for us, to save human life – not for faith. Obviously, human life is more valuable. Faith is just a tool for humans to approach God and appropriate the things He has done for mankind through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

          So I honestly don’t know how you came to the conclusion that faith is more important that humans; the Bible never said anything like that and neither did I.

          On the point of the morality I spoke off, let me emphasise that it is based on God’s word. Directly or indirectly, all contemplations of morality by humans stem from God.

          God made us in His image and gave us consciences to guide our senses of right and wrong – morality. So even those who do not believe in God can be guided by their god-given consciences. I think this is what you were referring to as secular morality.

          The scriptures you quoted are historical records and I do not argue that they were taken from the Bible. But you see, I know God better than that now because I know Him as a loving God, who sent His Son Jesus to redeem me…

          Besides, those scriptures were from Old Testament, and the death penalty was in force then. But not anymore.

          The way God dealt with the people of that era is different from the way He is dealing with us now. What made the difference is the sacrifice of Jesus Christ; God is now dealing with us with grace. (Please read the last sentence again, because your views will be transformed if you will appreciate the full import of it).

          Let me leave you with the following references from the Bible with the hope that they will make sense to you a little as against the ones you cited:

          For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life – John 3:16

          But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love – I John 4:8

          So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish Matthew 18:14

          This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. I Tim 2:3-4

          The Lord does not delay his promise, as some understand delay, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance. 2Peter 3:9

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        • Lander7 17/07/2018 / 7:20 pm

          You stated — “I would really wish you would understand my perspective here (you don’t have to agree with it anyway!).”

          My response — I think you are making some false assumptions. Your statement indicates that I am avoiding the process of understanding you, but the reality is that I am talking to you and asking questions solely for understanding your position better. I would go one step further and add that blogs exist to allow others to understand each other better.

          You stated — “But going by your assertions, it appears you have your own agenda (no offence intended), because it appears you are ignoring my point.”

          My response — The truth is the only worthy and relevant point of communication. Since there is no way for me to truly know your agenda or you mine, it is irrelevant. You have an idea or concept and I have one that may be different and through discussion we can either learn something new or find fallacies not grounded in truth or evidence.

          You stated — “Let me say it is inconceivable for me to think that faith is more important than humans as you posited. I never said that, and I could never say such because I know better than that.”

          My response — Again I think this is an assumption on your part. I never stated what you believe (that would be impossible I can’t read your mind). We need to keep the conversation in context of what you posted and that’s what I was referring to. It’s clear you stated we need to follow the morality of the Bible but at the same time you stated that we had to keep the fabric of society morality intact. I simply showed that there is a clear difference between the two and that you were talking about a secular morality given that you would not kill children.
          Scripture is clear on what we should do despite how we feel morally.
          1 Samuel 15:3
          3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
          I wanted to get this first part out of the way before I responded to the remainder of your post to save us time moving forward.

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        • Lander7 18/07/2018 / 3:05 am

          You stated — So I honestly don’t know how you came to the conclusion that faith is more important that humans; the Bible never said anything like that and neither did I.

          My response — I know you didn’t say that but if you want to say the bible didn’t then this will be easy to prove. I will supply a verse and you verify if it is from the Bible and if it puts life first or faith first. Keep in mind I’m asking for what it asks of Abraham at the moment he learns not what the out come is that we know after the fact.

          Genesis 22
          2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

          You stated — “all contemplations of morality by humans stem from God.”

          My response — I disagree. The corrupt nature of mankind’s morality cannot be blamed on God as a source.

          For instance we have the, “North American Man/Boy Love Association”
          An organization in the United States that works to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors. NAMBLA believes it’s morally correct to be sexual with children as long as the children agree. This is also something that certain religions in the US still practice with children as young as 12.
          Clearly God is not the source of this morality.

          You stated — “God made us in His image and gave us consciences to guide our senses of right and wrong – morality.”

          My response — And yet when we were made we did not have an understanding of Good and Evil per our encounter and fall in the garden. We were not meant to eat of the tree that provided that knowledge, so how does that fact reconcile with your statement.

          You stated — “The scriptures you quoted are historical records and I do not argue that they were taken from the Bible. But you see, I know God better than that now because I know Him as a loving God, who sent His Son Jesus to redeem me…”

          My response — I also know him as a loving God, who sent His Son Jesus to redeem me so believe me like you would have me believe you for the same reasons.

          2 Timothy 3:16
          16 For the whole Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable to teach, to convince, to correct, and to instruct in righteousness,

          You stated — “The way God dealt with the people of that era is different from the way He is dealing with us now.”

          My response — This is easy to address. Is it morally correct in anytime to kill children? Simply answer yes and we can move on from here just like I said when I first responded to your post. This will in fact prove my original point since secular Americans will not agree it is right to kill children regardless of the time period.

          You stated — “Let me leave you with the following references from the Bible with the hope that they will make sense to you a little as against the ones you cited:”

          My response — Verses from scripture to not oppose each other in anyway. They cannot be, as you stated, “against” each other. They are simply all true. “Do not kill is a truth” and “kill those you are told to kill is a truth”.

          You believe in a Loving God as I do so the question is Do you believe a loving God will let people suffer in torment for all eternity?

          If yes, then our original conflict in understanding is much less pain and suffering.

          I could make this more challenging to the strange position you are taking with morality.

          If a child or the age 10 refuses to believe in Jesus could he be subject to hell for all eternity?

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        • VictorsCorner 18/07/2018 / 10:00 pm

          On the story of Abraham you cited in Genesis 22, please go down to verse 12-13, you will see that an angel stopped him from going through with the human sacrifice, providing a lamb instead: ” Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son. Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son.”
          In context, my definition of morality is making good choices that are consistent with the will of God. So what you attributed to MAMBLA is not morality ( you yourself know this). It is perversion. Sex is permissible by God only within the confines of a marriage between male and female. Anything in between or outside of it is not good morality in God’s sight.

          On the issue of morality before the Fall of man, note that man didn’t know evil then. It was after the fall that the issue of moral choice came…

          You raised many other questions, but I will try and summarize my answers:

          1. Good to know you believe in Jesus too. To know him more, reading all the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John will help you.

          2. It is not good to kill babies. But it had to be done in past era as part of divine judgement. But don’t worry, God is not killing anyone now anymore. we are in a time of grace.

          3. Children will not be sent to hell, you can be sure about that. People must reach the age of accountability before they can be judged…
          4. Yes, a loving God can send people to hell if they reject the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
          5. Lastly, know that morality will not bring salvation to anyone. it is grace through faith in Christ that salvation can be received.
          If you still have further questions, please let’s take them one after another henceforth.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 3:59 am

          You stated — “If you still have further questions, please let’s take them one after another henceforth.”

          I will provide the last statement then for the following and we don’t have to discuss these anymore. I will post my questions on other statements that we can continue talking about.

          I stated — “Keep in mind I’m asking for what it asks of Abraham at the moment he learns not what the outcome is that we know after the fact.”

          Then you responded — “On the story of Abraham you cited in Genesis 22, please go down to verse 12-13, you will see that an angel stopped him from going through with the human sacrifice”

          My second try — Abraham did not know there was going to be a lamb so your response acknowledges clearly that faith is more important than life, otherwise you would be saying that Abraham knew in advance that he wouldn’t have to kill him.

          You stated — “In context, my definition of morality is making good choices that are consistent with the will of God. So what you attributed to MAMBLA is not morality ( you yourself know this).”

          My response — I do in fact know this but you are the one who refereed to the moral fabric of society, not I. The society you have spoken of has always believed in the sexual interaction between certain religions and children below the age of 12. This is a fact that is easy to prove.

          I see a distinction between morality and faith but you see them tied together and it makes me curious since morality changes from person to person or even religion to religion.

          You stated — “1. Good to know you believe in Jesus too. To know him more, reading all the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John will help you.”

          My response — That is the same advice I have for you, so we are on a good path here.

          You stated — “2. It is not good to kill babies. But it had to be done in past era as part of divine judgement. But don’t worry, God is not killing anyone now anymore. we are in a time of grace.

          My response — So now you are agreeing with me that faith is more important than life. To recap your original thought was:

          “Let me say it is inconceivable for me to think that faith is more important than humans as you posited. I never said that, and I could never say such because I know better than that.”, “So I honestly don’t know how you came to the conclusion that faith is more important that humans; the Bible never said anything like that and neither did I.”

          Now you agree with me using the term, “divine judgement”, keeping in mind the act of killing is done by people of faith.

          You stated — “5. Lastly, know that morality will not bring salvation to anyone. it is grace through faith in Christ that salvation can be received.”

          My response — Then speaking of morality has no value since one can be immoral and still have salvation. On this we can agree.

          We should be in agreement now on these so I agree no more talk is needed on these but if you still have further questions I will take them one after another henceforth per your request.

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 6:19 pm

          It’s funny how you try to push somethings down my throat, even when I had clearly stated what I thought. That lends credence to my earlier insinuation that you seemed to be pursuing an agenda different from the points of my posts.
          Even at that, we can save each other’s time if we don’t keep going back and forth over the same issues that have been addressed already. Having said that, let me respond to the subsequent issues you raised as follows:

          1. Read Genesis 22:7-8, you will see that Abraham had faith that God was going to provide a lamb for the sacrifice. Here was the conversation that proves it:
          “And the two of them went together. 7But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!”
          And he said, “Here I am, my son.”
          Then he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
          8And Abraham said, “My son, God will provide for Himself the burnt offering.”
          I assume you know the rest of the story. so I will move on.

          2. I will say it that when Jesus Christ died for me, He showed that He loves me more than anything else. My life was and still very important to Him. He gave me Faith to believe what He did for me, because on my own, it is impossible to do so.

          3. I am not an expert on morality (I don’t even want to be that), but I agree that good morals built on the word of God is good for humans to relate with one another in respect. That’s as far as it goes.

          But whether morally upright or not, any one who does not believe in Jesus will not receive salvation. So in the final analysis it is really not about morality… But one thing I assure you is this: Anyone who truly has accepted Jesus as Lord and Saviour with a commitment to please God in his or her daily living will find it easier to make good moral choices.

          4. People from every tongue and tribe have been killing themselves and other people from time immemorial. It is a consequent of the fallen nature of man.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 7:12 pm

          You stated — “It’s funny how you try to push somethings down my throat”

          My response — There is no value to me if I don’t have what you actually believe since agendas in of themselves have no value in data gathering or understanding truths but I do think given your response we have a communication issue with just this one subject. This is easy to clear up.

          Do you think Abraham knew for a fact that he would not have to kill his son when he went up or was it something you think he found out just before he was going to kill him?

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 7:54 pm

          Abraham trusted God completely. And His faith saved the day for Him.

          His experience with God asking for Isaac to be used as a sacrifice was a test of faith for Abraham. Thankfully, he passed it in flying colours.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 8:41 pm

          @VictorsCorner

          I like your answer but I didn’t ask about his faith so my question is still left open and unanswered. Questions on scripture can be difficult and make people worry about their believes, if this question is difficult just tell me you don’t want to answer it.

          If you do want me to understand what you believe then here is the actual question again. With your response I don’t know if you think he knew or didn’t know.

          Do you think Abraham knew for a fact that he would not have to kill his son when he went up or was it something you think he found out just before he was going to kill him?

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 8:48 pm

          I think I answered you already. Abraham knew by faith that God would provide a sacrificial in place of Isaac.and it turned out that way.

          “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Hebrews 11:1.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 8:52 pm

          Ahh understood. So in your interpretation you see that there was never a risk for Abraham to lose his child. You believe Abraham knew going in it was going to be alright.

          I find that most interesting, very similar to the newer age religions that believe the Ark is just a story not a fact.

          This is not to say you don’t believe in the ark (I don’t want to create an additional sub topic) we can close this out also, thanks.

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 8:59 pm

          Granted. Abraham took a risk. But His faith was enough cover.

          For the records, I believe the story of Noah’s Ark was a historical fact.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 8:59 pm

          Noted. For the record I do also.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 7:14 pm

          As for the morality talk I think I understand your interpretation well enough. We don’t need to talk about morality anymore.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 4:00 am

          Question:

          You stated — “Sex is permissible by God only within the confines of a marriage between male and female. Anything in between or outside of it is not good morality in God’s sight.”

          My response — Where does a hermaphrodite fall in that statement?

          Just curious.

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 7:50 pm

          Being a hermaphrodite is not a normal sexual situation in humans. As the Bible says, “He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created.” Genesis 5:2.

          Do you possibly know personally any human hermaphrodite? The one I once know, not personally though, has since undergone surgery to live her life as a female.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 8:55 pm

          I don’t know any but I am aware there are many on Earth. They are 1 of 5 sexual human states of being.

          This is not a topic for this OP so we can also close this out.

          One OP can’t be every topic, I think your would agree. (it would never end)

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 9:43 pm

          So we will settle with the point Is made earlier: God permits sex within a marital union between male and female.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 4:00 am

          You stated — “3. Children will not be sent to hell, you can be sure about that. People must reach the age of accountability before they can be judged…”

          My response — What age is that? Is it 8? 13? 17?

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 6:26 pm

          In this case, the age of accountability has nothing to do with number of years on earth. It will be at that point in life when you have capacity to take responsibility for your actions, knowing the full import of it; when you can take the decision to either accept or reject Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 7:08 pm

          That seems fair. In some countries children fight wars at age 8 so they can load guns, kill people, use strategy in battle.

          Under your Biblical interpretation you then believe children 8 years of age can be in hell. I don’t often find a religion that has this belief, what denomination are you associated with?

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 7:42 pm

          I don’t preach denominations. Sorry! I preach Christ the only hope of the world. Irrespective of denominational affiliations, what people need to have is a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. That’s the only way to be saved.

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  2. VictorsCorner 18/07/2018 / 5:32 am

    How would you know false assumptions when you don’t even know the truth? My claims are based on the truths of God as revealed in the Bible. You don’t have strong basis for your own claims.

    I agree that we could understand each other better through our blogs interactions. But how could we get to that point when you have already dismissed the claims here as false?

    I already shared with with what I believe to be correct according to the revealed word of God, not according to the feeble philosophies of humans who can’t convince themselves that they know the TRUTH or the meaning of life.

    God esteems human life more than faith. Jesus died to save our lives, not our faith. I still stand by that as my response to your earlier objection.

    Another point I wanted you to see is that there is really no secular morality. All mortalities have roots in God, either from His written word or as suggestions from the consciences He gave us. That’s why your conscience is called the moral compass.

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    • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 4:18 am

      You stated — “How would you know false assumptions when you don’t even know the truth?”

      My response — You have not stated that there is a truth I do not know and we have not talked of such a thing. It would be nonsensical to make such a statement when it has not been part of our discussion.

      You stated — “You don’t have strong basis for your own claims.”

      I haven’t really claimed anything, I am currently just curious about your interpretation of the Bible. At best we are both referencing scripture so we are in the same boat.

      You stated –“But how could we get to that point when you have already dismissed the claims here as false?”

      My response — I wouldn’t dismiss your claims since I am intrigued by them. But I have posted scripture that is in conflict with some of your statements (not all), maybe this is what you are talking about.

      You stated — “All moralities have roots in God, either from His written word or as suggestions from the consciences He gave us. That’s why your conscience is called the moral compass.”

      My response – Then you see Islamic morality rooted in God, interesting. Your point of view is fascinating.

      Please don’t take offense of my statements, you are saying things that I find interesting and they have a logical conclusion.

      Example: You said, “All mortalities have roots in God”, Islamic religious followers have morality, ergo their morality has roots in God per your statement.

      I don’t think this way, so I find it interesting.

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      • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 6:32 pm

        To the extent that everyone was given a conscience by God, to that extent everyone has been given a sense of right or wrong. It is what we make of it that matters.

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 7:38 pm

          God certainly never commanded any of such practices. I’m amazed at what some people do that are attributable to religion.

          “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–” Ephesians 2:8. There goes the basis of our salvation, not in some so-called religious practices..

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 9:02 pm

          Agreed. Keep in mind they are also using interpretation.

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 9:16 pm

          Biblical interpretation has to be based on context, otherwise it will result in error.

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        • Lander7 20/07/2018 / 1:30 am

          In my belief there is no interpretation since God’s word is perfect and not in need of any help from man.

          We will just have to agree to disagree on this subject.

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        • VictorsCorner 20/07/2018 / 8:46 am

          God’s word is perfect, agreed. But humans who receive the word are not.

          I believe the word of God can be interpreted, as led by the Holy Spirit. That’s the reason God gave us teachers in the body of Christ.

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        • Lander7 20/07/2018 / 2:00 pm

          You stated — “I believe the word of God can be interpreted, as led by the Holy Spirit. That’s the reason God gave us teachers in the body of Christ.”

          My response — This is a very popular belief and shared also by the preachers in the first video I shared but that is not to say that your views match theirs. Interpretation allows for any belief and the defense of it is only your opinion it doesn’t in fact lend to any truth.

          If I ask you how your interpretation is correct it will be for the same reason 5 others are correct. I am only saying this to let you know there is no reason for you to continuously justify your position. You use interpretation ergo you can have any position regardless of evidence.

          I am only curious for certain topics to see how your particular flavor of interpretation reconciles conflicting scripture.

          I find some of your positions fascinating.

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        • VictorsCorner 20/07/2018 / 2:59 pm

          If you say the Bible doesn’t require interpretation, nothing can be further from the truth than that. All through the Bible itself there are plenty evidence to show where the Bible was being interpreted, or better put, explained it to other people.

          I will leave you with two examples:

          1) In Acts 8:26-40, we see the story of Philip explaining the scriptures to the Ethiopian eunuch who was reading it without proper understanding: “. 29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?”31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.”

          2) Similarly, in Acts 18:24-26, we see Priscilla and Aquila having to explain the scriptures to Apollos whom they perceived wasn’t so grounded: “26He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.”

          I’m really surprised to hear you say the scriptures don’t require interpretation. That’s not a scriptural position.

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        • Lander7 20/07/2018 / 3:32 pm

          You stated — “If you say the Bible doesn’t require interpretation, nothing can be further from the truth than that.”

          My response — That’s your opinion but it’s not a fact. You don’t have any authority to make that determination nor do you have scripture to back it up. With that said I didn’t state that you can’t use interpretation I just stated that you can come to several conclusions for the same verse when using it. There is no need for us to conflate the two.

          You stated — “I’m really surprised to hear you say the scriptures don’t require interpretation. That’s not a scriptural position.”

          My Response — You’re surprised because, I never said that. I did say, “In my belief there is no interpretation since God’s word is perfect and not in need of any help from man.”, and I also said, “I never said it was wrong to use interpretation just that I find your interpretation interesting.”

          Nuance is a struggle for people if their focus is to be right rather than to understand others. Note you stated, “I believe the word of God can be interpreted, as led by the Holy Spirit. ” and I stated , “God’s word is perfect and not in need of any help from man.” So we are saying the same thing but where we are divergent is at the point of teaching others. You may believe that you represent the Holy Spirit and can tell other what verses mean via interpretation where as I believe that only the Holy Spirit speaks to people directly (no mediator is needed other than Christ).

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        • VictorsCorner 20/07/2018 / 4:45 pm

          Of course no mediator is needed between man and God.

          On the case at hand, there is no point to continue ‘arguing’ since you have agreed that “we are saying the same thing…” Thanks for your time.

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      • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 7:29 pm

        The path is already there. You just need to understand it well to appreciate it. The Holy Spirit helps us in this regard.

        “knowing this first, that any prophecy of Scripture is not of its own interpretation.” 2Peter 1:20

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 9:04 pm

          This is to vague a response to understand. This response in no way shows where they would be challenged to stop the practice they use.

          Also note I don’t follow that practice. (Just for the record)

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 9:12 pm

          As follower of Jesus Christ, our focus should be constantly on Him. Any practice that takes our eyes off Jesus is certainly not a good practice in the sight of God.

          One mistake some people make is to portray some cultural practices as Christian religious practices. And If we are not seeking God by faith, then we are seeking wrongly.

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      • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 8:11 pm

        There is nothing wrong with interpretation provided it is not taken out of context. 2Peter 1:20 says, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 8:37 pm

          I never said it was wrong to use interpretation just that I find your interpretation interesting.

          That verse can also be interpreted several ways, such as only applying to prophecy and not non-prophecy verses.

          Just a thought. We can close out this topic also I have an understanding of your interpretation of this concept.

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        • VictorsCorner 19/07/2018 / 8:41 pm

          “Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this.” 2Timothy 2:7.

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        • Lander7 19/07/2018 / 8:49 pm

          Philippians 4:9
          Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

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  3. Freedomborn 31/07/2018 / 2:53 pm

    Sorry Victor that it has been so long since I have responded to your Posts but Health, Hacking my Children’s Ministry and Life Happenings has caused limited time left for Blogging but to be sure I have missed you and all my Blogging friends.

    An interesting Conversation Victor between you and Lander7 I have also had them on my Blog, often those that disagree with me ask is; “How do you know what you share is God’s Truth?” but some just say; “I’m a know it all or I’m arrogant for thinking I do know His Truth.”

    As you shared Victor; God’s Truth is clearly recorded in Scripture but sadly not in all Translations, some of His Truth has been deleted in them or added to which means what was originally recorded has been changed so God’s Truth has been too, like with the Cults Translations but also even with some other well known Translations today.

    But in the Translations from the Original Greek that have not been polluted we can be assured of them confirming God’s Truth. In them there are over 300 Truths that only He could have known when He had Man record them and most of His Prophesies have already come True and the rest are evolving today with us now being in the end times.

    But in 1Corinthians 2:14 it confirms what we have both experienced Victor with Atheists and those in ignorance. Some will think God’s Truth in Scripture is foolishness or they will accuse Him of being unloving and cruel and this is because they have no real understanding of His Heart of Love as you shared about, they can’t have without His Wisdom through the Empowering of the Holy Spirit. Like us too, they were not Born with God’s Wisdom or with the indwelling of The Holy Spirit, we ask and receive and when we have received we don’t doubt that we have them or we are very unstable and if we don’t believe what God tells us there is no point in us asking Him for anything else.

    James 1:5-6 If any of you lack Wisdom let him ask of God that giveth to all Men liberally and upbraideth not and it shall be given him. But let him ask in Faith nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that Man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded Man is unstable in all his ways.

    Paul also tells us in 1Corinthians2:6-7 that he did not depend on worldly wisdom but on God’s Wisdom and this is the Principle thing in understanding God’s Truth as we see confirmed in the Scriptures below.

    Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the Principal thing therefore get Wisdom and with all thy getting get Understanding.

    Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil know how to give good gifts unto your Children how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?

    As we know Victor in Scripture God also tells us that we are not to call anyone but Him our Spiritual Father or anyone our Spiritual Teacher, Jesus will lead us into all Truth not a Man or Woman regardless of who they are or what qualifications they have but yes we can be Blessed and Encouraged by those who share His Truth with His Wisdom and what they share will be confirmed in Scripture and or by God’s Creation, Prophesies will also be confirmed as True when shared by those God has Chosen and Anointed to do so.

    Matthew 23:8-10 But you do not be called ‘Rabbi’ for One is your Teacher The Christ and you are all Brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your Father for One is your Father He who is in Heaven. And do not be called Teachers for One is your Teacher The Christ. NKJV

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life no Man cometh unto the Father but by Me.

    1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and Men, The Man Christ Jesus.

    1John 2:26-28 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you but the Anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you and ye need not that any Man Teach you but as the same Anointing Teacheth you of all things and is Truth and is no lie and even as it hath Taught you ye shall abide in Him.

    Matthew 10:26-28 Fear them not therefore for there is nothing Covered that shall not be Revealed and Hid that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness that Speak ye in Light and what ye hear in the ear that Preach ye upon the housetops (KJV)

    Christian Love Victor and God’s Blessings – Anne.

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    • VictorsCorner 31/07/2018 / 6:11 pm

      You are welcome back Anne. So glad to have you back. You know I have missed you too.

      Your contributions are appreciated. I’m sure my readers will find your views enlightening. Once again thank you.

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      • Freedomborn 20/08/2018 / 12:52 am

        Wow Victor I have indeed missed a lot of your Posts but I will seek to respond to some more of them during the next week, thanks for your patience with me.

        Another reason Victor why I value you as a Blogging friend in our Unity in Christ Jesus is because you don’t limit what others share in their Comments instead you show you value their input even if they raise objections to what you have shared but sadly not so with some others.

        They like us to always agree with them even when they are in error and to keep what we share short and sweet but it is very disheartening to be put down when we share from our Heart what God leads us to share.

        So unless there is a good reason such as abuse or when they Mock God or continually reject His Truth in Scripture, I also don’t limit what others share on my Blog even if they seek to correct me in their own understanding.
        Thanks again Victor for your Blogging Friendship – Anne.

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  4. VictorsCorner 20/08/2018 / 6:21 pm

    I am indeed honoured Anne to have you speak so highly of me so much. You have been an encouraging voice in this blogging journey of mine. Thank you very much.

    Yes you are right, I allow all comments on my posts- excepting spams of course. It is my way of hearing from my readers, no matter the kind of opinion they have to share. More importantly, it affords me the opportunity to share my own thoughts with them via the responses I give to the comments. That way, even atheists have had me share thoughts about God with them.

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    • Freedomborn 21/08/2018 / 12:05 am

      Thank you also Victor for your kind words and it has always been a Blessing following your Blog and responding to your Posts.

      You may have noticed that the spaces have been deleted from my last Comment which makes it harder to read, you haven’t done this before so it seems someone on WordPress Staff or Googles are deliberately trying to cause problems, it happened with another Blogger but they also abused me so I thought it was them but perhaps no, anyway God will reveal and punish those who seek to hurt us.

      I will be in touch again soon Victor, I found your E-mail Address.

      Blessings – Anne.

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  5. VictorsCorner 21/08/2018 / 8:57 am

    I’m glad you found my email again. My failure to resend it earlier wasn’t deliberate. So I trust you know that already.

    Anne, I didn’t quite understand what you meant by “the spaces have been deleted from my last comment which makes it harder to read.” You may want to help me out with that. Thanks as always.

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  6. Freedomborn 22/08/2018 / 2:46 pm

    I will send you the Screen shots Victor but not sure why you can’t see that there are no spaces in my Comment on 20/08/2018 / 12:52 am like there are with my other Comments and your Responses.

    Blessings – Anne.

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    • VictorsCorner 22/08/2018 / 11:34 pm

      I have cross-checked the referenced comments again. I turned the block of texts into simple paragraphs. Did that solve the problems? Please let me know if it didn’t.

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      • Freedomborn 23/08/2018 / 2:50 pm

        Thank you Victor, it looks how I Posted it now, it has spaces.

        See you in the Morning it’s bed time in Aussie Land.

        Blessings – Anne.

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        • VictorsCorner 23/08/2018 / 2:53 pm

          You are welcome Anne. I’m happy to help. Have a good night rest.

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